RE: !SPAM! RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-24 Thread Yaakov Yehudi
Yes it can. See the docs. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Central ScroutinizerSent: Monday, August 23, 2004 16:29To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: !SPAM! RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP It's called WindowsUpdate? That cannot be used locally

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-23 Thread stephane nasdrovisky
The Central Scroutinizer wrote: Would it not be better to have a standard secure backdoor provided by a security package that could downloaded or installed by disk and works hand in hand with port scanning software, if this is really necassary. I am supprised Microsoft have not released such a

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-23 Thread Bart . Lansing
PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP Maarten wrote: Stuff like counter-attacking has been discussed often, whether in large open forums such as FD or in more private circles. Mostly, people were too

RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-23 Thread Todd Towles
Microsoft has. It is called SMS. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Central Scroutinizer Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:35 PM To: Mailing List - Full-Disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP Would

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-23 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:34:32 BST, The Central Scroutinizer said: Would it not be better to have a standard secure backdoor provided by a security package that could downloaded or installed by disk and works hand in hand with port scanning software, if this is really necassary. I am No, it

RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-22 Thread joe
Of Todd Towles Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP SNIP ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html

RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-22 Thread Todd Towles
: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:20 AM To: Todd Towles; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP Allan is right. I didn't notice people calling it a worm. From the article at InfoWorld... SNIP We've been working with (customers) for the last month

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-22 Thread The Central Scroutinizer
a third party have. Aaron - Original Message - From: Todd Towles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mailing List - Full-Disclosure [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP I hope it is a bad choice of words. He

RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-21 Thread Nick FitzGerald
Todd Towles wrote: Yeah I remember first hearing about that in the Patch Management circles. Does sounds like a good idea. Anyone that has been over patch managemtn can tell you that patches break stuff. Now software will automatically break software with software patches. =) Interesting.

RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-21 Thread fulldisclosure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I really don't KNOW what HP is doing, but I would assume that it's just a 'product' and not a worm. Meaning, you can probably setup 1 system on your network that scans a specified range (for example only your workstations if you're worried about

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-21 Thread michael williamson
There are much better alternatives to using exploit code to install patches.The security folk at TAMU have come up with an in-line network sniffer automagically blocks infected machines and notifies them via an internal webserver of their infection. After a set time it allows them back on.

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-21 Thread Maarten
On Saturday 21 August 2004 16:00, michael williamson wrote: This is a _lot_ more responsible than running exploit code of any sort, even for a good purpose. I admin one particular windows server that I must actually wait for vender approval before applying any hotfixes. I'd be extremely

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-21 Thread michael williamson
Except that the scenario you describe isn't near complete. What will happen is either it will get attacked by a benign worm (possibly breaking something) or a malicious worm (definitely breaking something) only a short while later. Which would you prefer then ? I'd prefer to not have to

RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-21 Thread Todd Towles
, 2004 4:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I really don't KNOW what HP is doing, but I would assume that it's just a 'product' and not a worm. Meaning, you can probably setup 1 system on your network

[Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-20 Thread KF_lists
This is cute... http://p2pnet.net/story/2182 -KF ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html

RE: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-20 Thread Todd Towles
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KF_lists Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 12:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP This is cute... http://p2pnet.net/story/2182 -KF ___ Full

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-20 Thread Maarten
On Friday 20 August 2004 19:38, KF_lists wrote: This is cute... http://p2pnet.net/story/2182 Stuff like counter-attacking has been discussed often, whether in large open forums such as FD or in more private circles. Mostly, people were too concerned to open themselves up for huge lawsuits

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-20 Thread Florian Weimer
Stuff like counter-attacking has been discussed often, This isn't necessary counter-attacking. Most operators of large, decentralized networks who have some say on what's running on the machines (e.g. operators of educational or corporate networks) follow some process that detects compromised

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-20 Thread Jesse Valentin
Thats pretty funny.. didnt someone else release a worm like that some time ago? The worm previoulsy released downloaded a patch from Microsoft to vulnerable machines, but I think these types of things create their own little DoS attacks when they get transmitted to offices with a less than desired

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-20 Thread Jesse Valentin
Thats pretty funny.. didnt someone else release a worm like that some time ago? The worm previoulsy released downloaded a patch from Microsoft to vulnerable machines, but I think these types of things create their own little DoS attacks when they get transmitted to offices with a less than desired

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-20 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:55:51 +0200, Maarten said: Stuff like counter-attacking has been discussed often, whether in large open forums such as FD or in more private circles. Mostly, people were too concerned to open themselves up for huge lawsuits and or for prosecution even, but now that

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-20 Thread Maarten
On Friday 20 August 2004 21:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:55:51 +0200, Maarten said: Stuff like counter-attacking has been discussed often, whether in large open forums such as FD or in more private circles. Mostly, people were too concerned to open themselves up for

Re: [Full-Disclosure] The 'good worm' from HP

2004-08-20 Thread Nick FitzGerald
Maarten wrote: Stuff like counter-attacking has been discussed often, whether in large open forums such as FD or in more private circles. Mostly, people were too concerned to open themselves up for huge lawsuits and or for prosecution even, but now that an important influential company