Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-29 Thread Thomas Sjögren
On Saturday 28 December 2002 13:51, yossarian wrote: > I think i might run w/o Palladium - and search the net for cracked > windows updates, they are availale now, so why should'nt they be in > the future? I never thought it useful upgrading to a newer office > since 2000, so why should I do so in

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-28 Thread yossarian
>> Palladium will have an option to turn certain features "off", says >> MS, so you can run programs deemed untrusted, outside the sandbox. If >> there is a mechanism to turn features off, they differ from TCPA, >> that is mandatory. >Sounds great, doesn't it? >What would you choose: >1. Run witho

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-23 Thread Georgi Guninski
Bruce Ediger wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, Simon Richter wrote: >I believe they have thought about this. Trusted software can only be >debugged on a special "developer" machine. My personal favourite would >be the "carefully crafted" DVD, which uses a buffer overflow in a player >routine (where p

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-23 Thread Bruce Ediger
On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, Simon Richter wrote: > I believe they have thought about this. Trusted software can only be > debugged on a special "developer" machine. My personal favourite would > be the "carefully crafted" DVD, which uses a buffer overflow in a player > routine (where people optimize for

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-22 Thread Peter van den Heuvel
The entire idea of course is to steal the authority over the computer away from the owner. Added security will not be part of that game as long as M$ and the likes are the one that deliver and actually control the software onto it. They get extreme rights on a "segment" of your own computer whe

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-22 Thread Simon Richter
Heorgi, On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 02:29:26PM +0200, Georgi Guninski wrote: > Simon Richter wrote: > >[...] and I'm asking now whether you would like > >those features on your home box as well, even if you had to give up DVD > >copying or get special illegal hardware for it. > "Illegal hardware"???

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-22 Thread Georgi Guninski
Simon Richter wrote: >What >features will my new computer have, that will convince me to lose certain >options I have right now - playing music, copying what I like, etc?. I'd say protection from binary viruses and stack overflows, plus if someone breaks into your computer and you have stored y

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-21 Thread Thomas Sjögren
On Friday 20 December 2002 15:24, Simon Richter wrote: > > What > > features will my new computer have, that will convince me to lose > > certain options I have right now - playing music, copying what I > > like, etc?. > > I'd say protection from binary viruses and stack overflows, [...] "Q: Will

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-20 Thread Simon Richter
Bruce, > > I'd say protection from binary viruses and stack overflows, plus if [...] > I'm sorry, maybe I was sleeping in class... can somebody explain to me > how a TCPA machine (as currently hypothesized) would keep stack overflows > from happening? Is this a facet of having a "nub" check eac

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-20 Thread yossarian
Hi, On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 02:47:59AM +0100, yossarian wrote: >>> Would you buy/use it if you had the choice? I mean, there are a lot of >>> advantages... :-) >> Now you've got me interested - what advantages is TCPA offering me? >We're currently talking about the (hypothetical) features of the

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-20 Thread Bruce Ediger
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Simon Richter wrote: > On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 02:47:59AM +0100, yossarian wrote: > > What > > features will my new computer have, that will convince me to lose certain > > options I have right now - playing music, copying what I like, etc?. > > I'd say protection from binary

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-20 Thread Ron DuFresne
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Simon Richter wrote: [SNIP] > > I'd say protection from binary viruses and stack overflows, plus if > someone breaks into your computer and you have stored your key in a safe > place you can tell what she modified. So this would be a definitve must > if you're builing

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-20 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 02:47:59AM +0100, yossarian wrote: >> Would you buy/use it if you had the choice? I mean, there are a lot of >> advantages... :-) > Now you've got me interested - what advantages is TCPA offering me? We're currently talking about the (hypothetical) features of the har

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-19 Thread yossarian
rketplace. I don't think the RIAA or the licensing problems of software companies are worth an economic crisis. - Original Message - From: "Simon Richter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAI

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-19 Thread Simon Richter
Hi Andrew, On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 09:06:58AM +0200, Andrew Thomas wrote: >> form a lobby group and ask for the "owner + web of trust" >> solution. It is technically doable and in the line of liberalism, so I think it >> has a good chance of becoming law. > I might be missing something, but how d

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-18 Thread Andrew Thomas
Hi Simon, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Simon Richter Sent: 18 December 2002 06:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll ...snip... This stuff has some interesting

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-18 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 04:12:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Information Security would like to ask your opinion on Microsoft's > Trustworthy Computing initiative. Please answer the following questions: I have different questionnaire: 1. Do you think the TC initiative (as it currentl

[Full-Disclosure] Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll

2002-12-16 Thread smcalearney
*Trustworthy Computing Mini-Poll* Information Security would like to ask your opinion on Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing initiative. Please answer the following questions: 1. Will the security of Microsoft's products improve as a result of its Trustworthy Computing initiative? Yes No 2. Has yo