Re: [Full-Disclosure] hackers are evil?

2003-06-12 Thread David M. Wilson
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 08:21:44PM -0700, morning_wood wrote: perseption. Without reiterating others' opinions, please watch what you post here, and bearing in mind the target audience (also take into consideration bandwidth, etc.), could you at the least proof-read your bloody drivel? Thanks,

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hackers are evil?

2003-06-12 Thread Darren Reed
Why do people continue trying to argue the meaning of hacker ? That 'battle' was lost over 10 years ago. Get over it. A hacker, today, is someone who participates in acts relating to illegal activity with computers, be it phreaking or just cracking. The english language evolves and this is

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hackers are evil?

2003-06-12 Thread Zen
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:21:48AM +1000, Darren Reed wrote: Get over it. A hacker, today, is someone who participates in acts relating to illegal activity with computers, be it phreaking or just cracking. So we need to find a new word for the old meaning. cheers, -- My home isn't

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hackers are evil?

2003-06-12 Thread gml
On Thursday 12 June 2003 12:49 pm, madsaxon wrote: for the record, i've been saying we need to change the nomenclature for awhile, suddenly everyone cares. i am truly amused. i'm going to go off now and be ahead of the curve some more. [Since nothing appears to be off topic for this list, I

[Full-Disclosure] hackers are evil?

2003-06-11 Thread morning_wood
Thomas Edison was a hacker. Alexander Grahm Bell was a hacker. Your next door neighbor with the hot rod, he too is a hacker. Mabey we need to change the nomenclature...? You can be a hacker without commiting a crime, that is not the publics perseption. I guess we need to accecpt a different