Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true? (Libraries, The Patriot Act, Forcoing Issues Etc.) (RAL for some)

2005-01-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:31:22 PST, Steve Kudlak said: > The question I would like is what level of "paranoia" should we be at? > Right now most people still believe enough in the US in the Bill or > Rights in the US and other protections elsewhere that no one is getting > really bent out of sha

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true? (Libraries, The Patriot Act, Forcoing Issues Etc.) (RAL for some)

2005-01-26 Thread Steve Kudlak
Pseudo Nym wrote: This is from an earlier e-mail I drafted but did not send: "ah hah, I made another mistake. I meant Etaoin instead of Atte in my last e-mail. Thank you Etaoin, I'm VERY glad to here that you know people who do or who have worked there. That's very comforting. Anyone else got an

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-26 Thread Darren Bounds
I think he's more concerned about whether or not Hush logs information that would allow an IP address to be directly tied to an email account/address. As a former Hush developer I'll say that unless things have changed, the answer is 'no'. The only way I can think of that would have allowed an

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread james edwards
> They can't produce information that doesn't exist, which begs the > questions: do they log your ip address? It is a pointless question. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Ron
They can't produce information that doesn't exist, which begs the questions: do they log your ip address? No business can ignore a judges orders to produce whatever required information. The business can contest the request but if it is proven out the information must be produced.

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Pseudo Nym
This is from an earlier e-mail I drafted but did not send: "ah hah, I made another mistake. I meant Etaoin instead of Atte in my last e-mail. Thank you Etaoin, I'm VERY glad to here that you know people who do or who have worked there. That's very comforting. Anyone else got anything?" and aga

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Gregh
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "james edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true? > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:51:07 MST, james edwards said:

RE: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Todd Towles
ay, January 25, 2005 3:51 PM > To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true? > > > Thank you Valdis, you were spot on. I'm sorry, I must have been > > misunderstood, my main concern IS a blunt legal object being used

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread james edwards
Your point ? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:51:07 MST, james edwards said: > No business can ignore a judges orders to produce whatever required > information. > The business can contest the request but if it is proven out the information > must be produced. So tell me - what do you do when you get served a subpoena

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread james edwards
> Thank you Valdis, you were spot on. I'm sorry, I must > have been misunderstood, my main concern IS a blunt > legal object being used against hushmail to find my > identity. No business can ignore a judges orders to produce whatever required information. The business can contest the request but

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Pseudo Nym
Thank you Valdis, you were spot on. I'm sorry, I must have been misunderstood, my main concern IS a blunt legal object being used against hushmail to find my identity. Without contact with their staff there is no way to prove their claim that their log files do not correlate IP addresses to e-mai

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:22:25 CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > How hard is it to verify this yourself by, as has been suggested > elsewhere, signing up and sending yourself an email? Not to overly harsh > your mellow, but the solution to getting this information is not exactly > ocket science...

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Bart . Lansing
How hard is it to verify this yourself by, as has been suggested elsewhere, signing up and sending yourself an email?  Not to overly harsh your mellow, but the solution to getting this information is not exactly ocket science... Bart Lansing Manager, Desktop Services/Lotus Notes Kohl's IT [EMAI

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
Pseudo Nym wrote: I was asking for anyone with evidence or experience dealing with hushmail. You seem to have neither. Well, at least he had the courtesy to reply to you. But read on, MacDuff. Can anyone verify hushmail's claims or provide some recounting of events that would seem to bolster th

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Atte Peltomaki
> I was asking for anyone with evidence or experience > dealing with hushmail. You seem to have neither. > > Can anyone verify hushmail's claims or provide some > recounting of events that would seem to bolster their > claims? > > --- Andrew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > To me this sug

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Pseudo Nym
I was asking for anyone with evidence or experience dealing with hushmail. You seem to have neither. Can anyone verify hushmail's claims or provide some recounting of events that would seem to bolster their claims? Thank you. --- Andrew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To me this suggests t

Re: [Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Andrew Smith
To me this suggests that, unlike most web based e-mail providers such as hotmail, hushmail does not send the user's I.P address in the headers of the e-mail address, but hushmail still logs IP addresses. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: ht

[Full-Disclosure] hushmail.com, is this true?

2005-01-25 Thread Pseudo Nym
I'm interested in finding if there is any truth behind these claims at hushmail.com. Can anyone tell of their experiences with hushmail or give them a review? Does anyone know of a different service that claims not to log IPs? >From the Hushmail Technical FAQ: Is there any way the recipient of a