Re: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-18 Thread proidg
hey, great redux on CERT, but you're forgetting about all the embarrasing leaks of vuln information in advance of CERT advisories! -paul - Original Message - From: Cael Abal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] A

RE: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-18 Thread Bill Royds
I find CERT most useful to use as a stick against management. Basically if CERT has come out with a warning before they have acted on the vulnerability, they know that they have been too slow in reacting. A CERT release means that this vulnerability is real, extensive and dangerous and should

RE: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-17 Thread Chris DeVoney
of course, CERT, like many federal sites realted to net sec issues, NIPC, local infrgard chapters, the new homeland sec dept, all will know after all the sources below have first fed on the info and rumors for a week or too prior. So, if CERT truely sucks, it sucks slowly... CERT is

Re: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-16 Thread Christopher Parker
--- Tri Huynh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like this comapany doesn't give a damn about information privacy, and there is also a possibility that they are the spammers too. If you guys have have any info about this company, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and i love to gather more

Re: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-16 Thread Cael Abal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | Join www.osvdb.org to make a better non-corporated vulnerability | database since CERT sucks ! | | CERT sucks? Humm... In my UNIX Security college course, we're being | told CERT is a great resource for security-related information. Can | anybody

Re: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-16 Thread Jeffrey . Stebelton
I agree with your professor. I don't use the CERT site on a daily, or even weekly basis like I do sans.org, but when I need information from it, it's always been relevant, accurate (as far as I can tell) and up to date. What exactly is supposed to suck about the site, I wonder?? Jeff Stebelton

Re: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-16 Thread madsaxon
At 09:38 AM 12/16/2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is supposed to suck about the site, I wonder?? I don't know that anyone believes the site itself sucks. There are those who have an objection to the fact that CERT is taxpayer-funded, yet charges a fee for its 'premium' services;

Re: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-16 Thread Exibar
Tri, all.. Since this *IS* security/privacy-related, I *WILL* respond to this... We all feel so honored that you will respond to this sheesh - Original Message - From: Christopher Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tri Huynh [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL

RE: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-16 Thread Schmehl, Paul L
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cael Abal Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | Join

Re: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-16 Thread Gregory A. Gilliss
Chris, CERT does not suck anymore than Microsoft sucks or Bush sucks. CERT is a resource, albeit not a timely one. Consider - Saddam is captured. Who knows first? The people who actually capture him. Who knows next? The people whom the first group tells. Who knows next? Probably Fox News (they

Re: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-16 Thread Ron DuFresne
of course, CERT, like many federal sites realted to net sec issues, NIPC, local infrgard chapters, the new homeland sec dept, all will know after all the sources below have first fed on the info and rumors for a week or too prior. So, if CERT truely sucks, it sucks slowly... Thanks, Ron

Re: [Full-Disclosure] A funny (but real) story for XMAS

2003-12-16 Thread Kurt Seifried
The reason OSVDB isn't well populated yet is that each vulnerability has to be evaluated and written up afresh in order to avoid violating any existing DB's copyrights. That takes time. If you want to shorten that time, go volunteer. :-) I like the idea of osvdb, I have concerns about the