My thinking and experience shows that in the real world, Linux, OSX,
etc. is more secure. Some of that is by obscurity, which isn't real
security, but does work in the real world. Most of it is due to peer
review. Having said that, when you cannot look at the source code,
it is really obscure.
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, joe wrote:
Of course you had FORTRAN and COBOL as well but you couldn't do fun
games in those.
You mean like Adventure? I still have the original FORTRAN source for
that somewhere on a tape.
-- Dave
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a whole lot of shit. Notice the anxiety displayed in the overwhelming
mapping of the circuit board. Er///bored.
Do you see the three prongs a the end of the adapter that fits into the
wall socket? Do you ?? Do You?? That as I have been
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, joe wrote:
because the *nixs are picking up a lot of the people who were previously
clueless in Windows and they aren't learning much going to *nix. They just
think it is better and more secure because they know even less about it than
they did about Windows.
At least in
to gravity. It was/is a good game.
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On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, joe wrote:
Of course
joe wrote:
It is a core component of the current Windows UI, this is not the same as
being a core component of Windows. Explorer is simply a UI shell that sits
on the operating system known as Windows. The entire shell is replaceable
and has been for a long time, since at least Win3.1.
I
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At least in practice
ActuallyTRS-DOS is still superior to all-y'all's stupid OS's!
So there!
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Ducking
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p.s. Come on people. We went through the what does an OS really
constitute?
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On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, joe wrote:
Of course you had FORTRAN and COBOL as well but you couldn't do fun
games in those.
You mean like Adventure? I still have the original FORTRAN source
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Can you propose a test of the install-based theory? If not, I wish you
wouldn't use it, it's little more than special pleading for the use
: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:56 AM
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joe wrote:
It is a core component of the current Windows UI, this is not the same
as being a core component of Windows. Explorer is simply a UI shell
that sits on the operating
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Actually MS does support the use of alternative shells. However you couldn't
and shouldn't expect that if you have a say Thunderbird shell that MS would
support that shell, just the pinnings under it. Just like they don't support
say
joe wrote:
Couple of things.
1. The conversation you are referring to was a conversation about issues
with core base components that necessitated a complete redesign. You kept
bringing up items that were NOT core base components - they were UI
components. IE being one of them. The very fact that
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 11:38, Barry Fitzgerald wrote:
Does it work now?
Haven't tried as I (unfortunately) need IE on that box.
It's always been there to my knowledge, but in the past it's never
actually removed it - just reverted to the prior version.
Which version of Windows are you
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 09:27, Barry Fitzgerald wrote:
Is it impossible to remove easily and difficult to remove cleanly? Yes...
Heh... I just noticed (by chance) that there is an option in |Control
Panel - Add/Remove Programs - Windows Components| to remove Internet
Explorer (which supposedly
Frank Knobbe wrote:
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 09:27, Barry Fitzgerald wrote:
Is it impossible to remove easily and difficult to remove cleanly? Yes...
Heh... I just noticed (by chance) that there is an option in |Control
Panel - Add/Remove Programs - Windows Components| to remove Internet
On Tue, July 6, 2004 9:38 am, Barry Fitzgerald said:
Frank Knobbe wrote:
Heh... I just noticed (by chance) that there is an option in |Control
Panel - Add/Remove Programs - Windows Components| to remove Internet
Explorer (which supposedly Adds or removes access to Internet Explorer
from the Start
of how jumpy it is. :o)
joe
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joe wrote:
Couple of things
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Couple of things
Judge: What is this Internet Explorer thing Gates?
Bll Gates: Its a core component of the operating sytem ma'am
Judge: BULLSHIT GATES! JOE SAYS IT ISN'T
Judge: YOUR GUILTY!
Bill
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Couple of things
Judge: What is this Internet Explorer thing Gates?
Bll Gates: Its a core component of the operating sytem ma'am
Judge: BULLSHIT
since CERT are federally funded does their advise mean it is un-American
to use internet explorer?
georgi
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 09:25:32AM -0500, Edge, Ronald D wrote:
Even CERT has issued an advisory that is really quite amazing in its
bluntness:
http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878
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