Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-16 Thread Ron DuFresne
EXACTLY!! Sorry to post a one word reply and not trim the fat from this post, but, it's probably one of the best replies to this whole thread, and worth a second read! Thanks, Ron DuFresne On 15 Jan 2004, Kenton Smith wrote: > These have got to be trolls. This is the most pathetic argument I

RE: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Erik van Straten
"Chris Harrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So do you expect Annie to fix these broken locks or doors?? Nope. Annie is not reading this list. Microsoft probably does. > What you are saying is that you would not need a wall if the locks > worked properly?? Nope. What I'm saying is that the doors to

Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Kenton Smith
These have got to be trolls. This is the most pathetic argument I have ever heard for not using security products. The software we use is bad and inherently insecure, people don't know what they're doing. Therefore the only solution is to open it all up and wait for the software vendors to fix all

Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Ron DuFresne
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Mary Landesman wrote: > Interpretation is subjective, but I have always interpreted the Sam Spade > rant to be directed at the alerting many of these PFWs do, vs. the actual > effectiveness. In fact, his point seems to be to get a hardware-based > firewall. This isn't an optio

Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Gilliss
All: shut up and deface their site: Name:www.personalfirewallday.com Address: 209.50.252.247 It's a Linux box running Web/Mail/DNS. G On or about 2004.01.15 05:25:51 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > > > We hereby reject this utter horseshit unreservedly. > > What ar

Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Mary Landesman
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Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Ron DuFresne
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Mary Landesman wrote: > Interpretation is subjective, but I have always interpreted the Sam Spade > rant to be directed at the alerting many of these PFWs do, vs. the actual > effectiveness. I read the rant there as a fed up admin/code warrior tired of dealing with bug report

Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Mary Landesman
gards, Mary Landesman Antivirus About.com Guide http://antivirus.about.com - Original Message - From: "Gregory A. Gilliss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January

Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread bart2k
ke telling >someone >not to bother locking their front door, because an intruder could >come in >through the back and unlock the front one... Better to learn to >lock both >doors, use the peephole, etc. > >Regards, >Mary Landesman >Antivirus About.com Guide >http://antiviru

Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Gilliss
All: shut up and deface their site: Name:www.personalfirewallday.com Address: 209.50.252.247 It's a Linux box running Web/Mail/DNS. G On or about 2004.01.15 05:25:51 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > > > We hereby reject this utter horseshit unreservedly. > > What ar

Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Ron DuFresne
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Mary Landesman wrote: > Interpretation is subjective, but I have always interpreted the Sam Spade > rant to be directed at the alerting many of these PFWs do, vs. the actual > effectiveness. I read the rant there as a fed up admin/code warrior tired of dealing with bug report

Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Kenton Smith
These have got to be trolls. This is the most pathetic argument I have ever heard for not using security products. The software we use is bad and inherently insecure, people don't know what they're doing. Therefore the only solution is to open it all up and wait for the software vendors to fix all

RE: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Chris Harrington
improvement over having nothing between Annie and the Internet. --Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik van Straten Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was Ja

Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Mary Landesman
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Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Mike Shaw
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Re: [Full-Disclosure] UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause]

2004-01-15 Thread Erik van Straten
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > We hereby reject this utter horseshit unreservedly. Agreed - when it's intended to "protect" aunt Annie's Xmas present. It just makes NO SENSE to have PC's listening on lots of ports, by default on any interface, and then add a PFW to prevent anyone fro