[funsec] The wildlist

2008-06-02 Thread Alex Eckelberry
Right on, Larry. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/The-AntiMalware-Certification-Problem/ The Anti-Malware Certification Problem Opinion: One of the dirty little secrets of the anti-malware industry is that the WildList doesn't really prove a whole lot about a product. Failure to find all

Re: [funsec] Sniff Your Neighbors' Networks

2008-06-02 Thread Andy Sutton
On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 08:06 -0400, Richard M. Smith wrote: > Participants in HNAP would collect sample network traffic from their > own home networks as well as samples from networks within the > vicinity. Vicinity, eh? What could possibly go wrong with that? > This also provides the Neighborho

Re: [funsec] Sniff Your Neighbors' Networks

2008-06-02 Thread Randy
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:14:21 -0400 > From: Robert Praetorius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [funsec] Sniff Your Neighbors' Networks > To

Re: [funsec] The wildlist

2008-06-02 Thread Bruce Ediger
Apparently from: > http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/The-AntiMalware-Certification-Problem/ ... > In fact, insiders in the anti-virus industry, especially vendors, are > widely derisive of the WildList, looking on it as an outdated burden on > their development. The malware in it is outdate

[funsec] XP SP3 Installs Older, Vulnerable Version of Flash Player

2008-06-02 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yes, you read that correctly: "It appears that XP service pack 3 installs an older vulnerable version of the flash player, causing those systems to be vulnerable to these vulnerabilities." More: http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=4513 Why is thi

Re: [funsec] XP SP3 Installs Older, Vulnerable Version of Flash Player

2008-06-02 Thread Dave Nelson
IIRC Microsoft's reasoning for not shipping SP3 with a newer version was that their license for flash only covered the older version that they include in the update. Personally I'd have rather seen them not include the file at all if it wasn't the most recent release, which really wouldn't have

[funsec] Another 'War on The Unexpected' Absurdity

2008-06-02 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "A man wearing a T-shirt depicting a cartoon character holding a gun was stopped from boarding a flight by the security at Heathrow's Terminal 5." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7431640.stm Props, Schneier: http://www.schneier.com/blog/ar

Re: [funsec] XP SP3 Installs Older, Vulnerable Version of Flash Player

2008-06-02 Thread Jeff Kell
Dave Nelson wrote: > IIRC Microsoft's reasoning for not shipping SP3 with a newer version was > that their license for flash only covered the older version that they > include in the update. Does it reinstall the older ActiveX, the older plugin [e.g., Firefox], or both? Jeff __

Re: [funsec] XP SP3 Installs Older, Vulnerable Version of Flash Player

2008-06-02 Thread Larry Seltzer
Microsoft's writeup in their advisory is vague about what versions are involved. I installed the update on an SP3 system running Flash 8.0.24.0 and got an error back that the update was not a proper version for the Flash I was running, or something like that. I went to the Flash site and installed

Re: [funsec] XP SP3 Installs Older, Vulnerable Version of Flash Player

2008-06-02 Thread Dave Nelson
To be honest Jeff, I'm not sure. I haven't installed SP3 on any of my machines (not even a vm) Dave Jeff Kell wrote: > Dave Nelson wrote: > >> IIRC Microsoft's reasoning for not shipping SP3 with a newer version was >> that their license for flash only covered the older version that they >>

Re: [funsec] The wildlist

2008-06-02 Thread Drsolly
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Bruce Ediger wrote: > Apparently from: > > http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/The-AntiMalware-Certification-Problem/ > ... > > In fact, insiders in the anti-virus industry, especially vendors, are > > widely derisive of the WildList, looking on it as an outdated burden on

Re: [funsec] The wildlist

2008-06-02 Thread coderman
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Drsolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > Telling people to "Practise safe Hex" was, I agree, pretty useless. > Telling people to switch their operating system (or change their computing > platform), and change all their application software, would have been even >

Re: [funsec] XP SP3 Installs Older, Vulnerable Version of Flash Player

2008-06-02 Thread Larry Seltzer
I'm pretty sure it's just the ActiveX. The advisory (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-069.mspx) says, among other things, "This security update installs Flash6.ocx version 6.0.88.0and removes the version of Flash.ocx it is replacing" and makes no mention of plugins Larry Sel