>>> The hacker is wrong - ethically, morally and legally.
> Thank you for answering the question actually asked. I agree.
Was Daniel Ellsberg ethically, legally or morally wrong for leaking the
Pentagon Papers?
Larry Seltzer
Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
larry_selt...@ziffdavis.com
http://bl
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On the topic of interesting & strong beer...
- From a brew house in the U.S. -- Kerberos Beer:
http://www.flyingdogales.com/Beer-Specialty-Kerberos.aspx
Jon
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Chief Technical Officer
Advanced Systems Engineering Technology, Inc.
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:48:41 -, Gadi Evron wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/8380412.stm
>
> A controversial Scottish brewery has launched what it described as the
> world's strongest beer - with a 32% alcohol content.
>
> Tactical Nuclear Penguin has been unveile
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:28:15 -, RandallM wrote:
> someone better look in to the the "tree rings". That seems to be the
> cause of the debacle.
> perhaps the reason for the "blow up and hack". Didn't seem to
> correlate with their plans.
And the whole principle is nicely explained by the reg:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/8380412.stm
A controversial Scottish brewery has launched what it described as the
world's strongest beer - with a 32% alcohol content.
Tactical Nuclear Penguin has been unveiled by BrewDog of Fraserburgh.
BrewDog was previously branded irr
Since you can run, but you can't hide, we can let this ranting thread be for
actual CC debate.
--- On Fri, 11/27/09, Martin Tomasek wrote:
> Climawhores do averaging of averages of averages (...) of
> weather. They call it science, I call it chutzpah.
Following my own advice I have to first as
"The FBI considers the cyber threat against our nation to be one of the
greatest
concerns of the 21st century."
OK, that's a perspective, all right ...
"An increasing array of sophisticated state and non-state actors have the
capability to steal, alter or destroy our sensitive data and, in t
This was posted on Wednesday already :)
http://linuxbox.org/pipermail/funsec/2009-November/022934.html
Juha-Matti
RandallM [randa...@fidmail.com] kirjoitti:
> not sure of the reasons or importance but it will stir memories:
>
> http://911.wikileaks.org/
>
> --
> been great, thanks
> a.k.a Sys
Date sent: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:17:47 -0500
From: Larry Seltzer
> Yes, absolutely it was justified to leak these e-mails because the
> implications of this issue are huge for the economy and the livelihood
> of millions.
Especially as employment for journalists :-
Date sent: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:48:21 + (GMT)
From: Drsolly
> I once spend an entire morning doing a security seminar on a computer
> provided by my host, which (he didn't know either) was infected with
> Vacsina. It was only when I got to the antivirus part of
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:17:33 +0200, Gadi Evron
wrote:
>A few days ago a story broke where someone hacked into a global warming
>research institute and stole all emails from the past 10 years, proving
>a conspiracy.
>
>
>- Is the action taken by the hacker legal, ethical, and/or moral? Was
>the
someone better look in to the the "tree rings". That seems to be the
cause of the debacle.
perhaps the reason for the "blow up and hack". Didn't seem to
correlate with their plans.
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On Nov 27, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Martin Tomasek wrote:
> Climawhores do averaging of averages of averages (...) of weather.
> They
> call it science, I call it chutzpah.
Hey, it worked for mortgages.
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valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> ...once you got a fit like that, you can then
> pretty safely use the CO2 concentration to predict temperature. Then you
> just get the annual worldwide consumption of fossil fuels, use that to
> figure out what the CO2 concentration will be in 2050, and from that
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Robert Portvliet
wrote:
> Well, it's certainly not without precedent
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/17/twitter_worm_job/
>
> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/595
>
> http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2000/09/va_cihauthor.html
>
> I'm sure
> --
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:17:47 -0500
> From: "Larry Seltzer"
> Subject: Re: [funsec] Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the
> Debate!
> To: "Gadi Evron" , "funsec"
> Message-ID:
> <9b9e7ea67e1b1342b2d25f3fd1b3293002f61...@be
Larry Seltzer wrote:
> PS - If you haven't guessed it already, I think that climate science is
> largely full of crap.
I agree with that.
> Put aside for the minute that the models can't
> explain why we've had *cooling* for the last 10 years; why would you
> think that you can look at ice cores
ch...@blask.org wrote:
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Gadi Evron wrote:
>
>> I agree, which is why we don't debate climate change, but
>> the hacker's actions.
>
> My take:
>
> The hacker is wrong - ethically, morally and legally.
Thank you for answering the question actually asked. I agree.
>
>
ch...@blask.org wrote:
> o The global climate is anything but a single-change scenario: it is
> actually a "constant multiple-factor change scenario", in which it is
> conceivable that we are currently otherwise in a cooling phase and we have
> just happened - by sheer dumb luck - to find ourse
Well, it's certainly not without precedent
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/17/twitter_worm_job/
http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/595
http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2000/09/va_cihauthor.html
I'm sure there's other instances...
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Jason Ro
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:17:47 EST, Larry Seltzer said:
> PS - If you haven't guessed it already, I think that climate science is
> largely full of crap. Put aside for the minute that the models can't
> explain why we've had *cooling* for the last 10 years; why would you
> think that you can look at
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:17:47 EST, Larry Seltzer said:
> PS - If you haven't guessed it already, I think that climate science is
> largely full of crap. Put aside for the minute that the models can't
> explain why we've had *cooling* for the last 10 years; why would you
> think that you can look at
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Peter Evans wrote:
>
> What's wrong with it? Really. He proved a point, it got him a job by
> getting his name out there.
>
He broke the law of a number of countries by intentionally making
modifications to computing devices without authorization. Such behavior
S
not sure of the reasons or importance but it will stir memories:
http://911.wikileaks.org/
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for goodness sake. thats the one thing bout gmail i don't like.
captures "all". now he's in my googlewave contacts!
Gadi, you should start a "wave" for on the fly discussion of important
or hot topics. it would be interesting and fun.
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> I look down with contempt on the inferior creatures who are dumb
> enough to fall for this denialist nonsense.
I can't help but think that, as a necessary first step before any
atrocity, the perpetrators first had to convince themselves that the
intended victims were not fully human.
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--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Gadi Evron wrote:
> I agree, which is why we don't debate climate change, but
> the hacker's actions.
My take:
The hacker is wrong - ethically, morally and legally.
The exposure of the information can be either good or bad, separately and
distinctly from the ethics of th
I once spend an entire morning doing a security seminar on a computer
provided by my host, which (he didn't know either) was infected with
Vacsina. It was only when I got to the antivirus part of the seminar that
I discovered it.
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
I'll take a stab at actually answering the question:
Yes, absolutely it was justified to leak these e-mails because the
implications of this issue are huge for the economy and the livelihood
of millions.
Some people may think that the science is settled and any questions are
trivia but not ever
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