Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-08 Thread der Mouse
>> The moral of the story is to not carry incriminating evidence when >> you go and get yourself arrested... ;) > "Son, can you show us the original receipt for the CDs that you > ripped these mp3 files from?" "No, that one came from a garage sale. But I still have the CD." (Yes, I keep all the

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-08 Thread Chris Boyd
On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 22:53 +1300, Nick FitzGerald wrote: > > I believe that at least blackberries have that capability > > (10 bad passwords and wipe). > > That's not strictly a "duress password". > > To me, that term designates a specific feature where a "special > password" is configured such

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-08 Thread Nick FitzGerald
Gary Buhrmaster to Chris Boyd: > > I'd like to be able to configure a duress password that would wipe the > > device when entered :-) Good idea... > > Any product manager out there listening? 8-) Maybe it's one of those "obvious but patented" ideas? > I believe that at least blackberries hav

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-07 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Chris Boyd wrote: > > On Jan 6, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: > >> LEAs have some nifty tools to get around that. ;-) > > I'd have an issue with that, since they are going beyond a casual examination > of the device. Ohio agrees with you. The Supreme

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-07 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Chris Boyd wrote: ... > I'd like to be able to configure a duress password that would wipe the device > when entered :-) > > Any product manager out there listening? I believe that at least blackberries have that capability (10 bad passwords and wipe). ___

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-07 Thread Chris Boyd
On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:59 PM, John Bambenek wrote: > The moral of the story is to not carry incriminating evidence when you > go and get yourself arrested... ;) "Son, can you show us the original receipt for the CDs that you ripped these mp3 files from?" :-) --Chris _

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-07 Thread Chris Boyd
On Jan 6, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: > LEAs have some nifty tools to get around that. ;-) I'd have an issue with that, since they are going beyond a casual examination of the device. Since the purported excuse for the inspection is "officer safety" there's no reason for them to us

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-07 Thread Chris Boyd
On Jan 6, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Jeff Kell wrote: > What if your cell/PDA/smartphone is locked w/a password? I'd like to be able to configure a duress password that would wipe the device when entered :-) Any product manager out there listening? --Chris ___

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-06 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Peter Evans wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 09:28:10AM -0500, David M Chess wrote: >> It seems unlikely to me that anyone's going to have a gun concealed in >> their iPhone's address book... > >        i bet there is an app for that. lol... http://www.wired.com/gad

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-06 Thread John Bambenek
The moral of the story is to not carry incriminating evidence when you go and get yourself arrested... ;) On 1/6/11 6:49 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Jeff Kell wrote: > >> What if your cell/PDA/smartphone is locke

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-06 Thread Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
> On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 09:28:10AM -0500, David M Chess wrote: > > It seems unlikely to me that anyone's going to have a gun concealed in > > their iPhone's address book... Date sent: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:34:13 +0900 From: Peter Evans > i bet there is an app for

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-06 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Jeff Kell wrote: > What if your cell/PDA/smartphone is locked w/a password? > LEAs have some nifty tools to get around that. ;-) - - ferg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) wj8DB

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-06 Thread Larry Seltzer
shaw.ca Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah wrote: > California: *All* data on *all* devices you carry is subject to >

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-06 Thread Jeff Kell
What if your cell/PDA/smartphone is locked w/a password? Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-06 Thread David M Chess
> When arrested, law enforcement already has the privilege -- under the law > - -- to inspect all personal belongings on the suspect in the normal course > of the investigation. Searching a digital device is a natural extension of > this privilege. Not necessarily. I believe the reason for the

Re: [funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-06 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah wrote: > California: *All* data on *all* devices you carry is subject to > warrantless search > > http://bit.ly/ep9OUC+ > > "On Monday, the California Supreme Court ruled t

[funsec] California opts out of 4th Amendment

2011-01-05 Thread Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
California: *All* data on *all* devices you carry is subject to warrantless search http://bit.ly/ep9OUC+ "On Monday, the California Supreme Court ruled that police in that state can search the contents of an arrested person's cell phone. "Citing U.S. Supreme Court precedents, the ruling contend