Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-06 Thread Peter Kosinar
Hello Brian! Okay, enough already, this should provide everything we need to know: http://www.wipo.int/sme/en/documents/ip_photography.htm First, this looks like a general rule-of-thumb kind of a text; revelvant laws in UK might be more or less restrictive (especially with respect to the

RE: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-06 Thread Drsolly
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Peter Kosinar wrote: First, I am not a lawyer (and definitely not an expert in UK law), but this kind of discussion always attracts my attention, as it sometimes reveals the amount of absurdity hidden in most laws. Alan claims that: I am a work of artistic

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-06 Thread Drsolly
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Brian Loe wrote: On 12/5/06, Richard M. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WikiPedia is our friend: Okay, enough already, this should provide everything we need to know: http://www.wipo.int/sme/en/documents/ip_photography.htm And to Solly's exact point:

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-06 Thread Drsolly
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Peter Kosinar wrote: Hello Brian! Okay, enough already, this should provide everything we need to know: http://www.wipo.int/sme/en/documents/ip_photography.htm First, this looks like a general rule-of-thumb kind of a text; revelvant laws in UK might be more or less

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-06 Thread Brian Loe
On 12/6/06, Peter Kosinar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, did you read that carefully? No, of course not. :) ] Using someone's image for commercial benefit ] ] Many countries recognize that individuals have a right of publicity. The ] right of publicity is the direct opposite of the right

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-06 Thread Nick FitzGerald
Drsolly wrote: For copyright infringement? Well, kinda -- specifically under the DMCA. Pointing out that ROT13 is not really an effective encryption mechanism with which to secure copyrighted digital content is itself NOT allowed under the DMCA (showing what a shitty little piece of

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-06 Thread Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah
Date sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:12:00 -0600 From: Brian Loe [EMAIL PROTECTED] One, I don't think Microsoft is going to use it for profit. Merely the fact that anyone could *make* that statement boggles the mind ... == (quote inserted randomly

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-06 Thread Drsolly
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Nick FitzGerald wrote: Drsolly wrote: For copyright infringement? Well, kinda -- specifically under the DMCA. Pointing out that ROT13 is not really an effective encryption mechanism with which to secure copyrighted digital content is itself NOT allowed

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-06 Thread Brian Loe
On 12/6/06, Bruce Ediger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some philosophical objections to copyright also exist: http://libertariannation.org/a/f31l1.html I doubt those will make much impression on you. The way you phrase your question seems to indicate that you believe that IP rights should exist to

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-06 Thread Richard M. Smith
Yep, copyright is one of many examples of government regulation that is needed for markets to work fairly. The problem nowadays is that copyright law has been perverted beyond its original scope by vested interests. Example: The anti-research provisions of the DMCA. Richard Brian Loe

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-06 Thread Gregory Hicks
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:03:35 + (GMT) From: Drsolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bruce Ediger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Bruce Ediger wrote: On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Brian Loe wrote: Without

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-05 Thread Brian Loe
On 12/5/06, Larry Seltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Starbucks and (probably) the casino examples are different than, for example, the airport ones. It's nothing new that stores don't want you taking pictures of their insides, and ironically it's also about IP protection, specifically trade

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-05 Thread Drsolly
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Brian Loe wrote: On 12/5/06, Richard M. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried taking the Wynn photo from the sidewalk along Las Vegas Blvd. and got yelled at by a rent-a-cop. The rent-a-cop clearly was out of line, but was probably acting on orders from above.

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-05 Thread Drsolly
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Brian Loe wrote: On 12/5/06, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're both right--but, of course, you're talking about different things. Alan is talking about copyright, Brian, and he is perfectly correct, even in the US. There

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:38:50 GMT, Drsolly said: Copyright breach isn't a criminal offence, it's a civil matter. I'll excuse you from knowing that in the US, it's now a criminal matter, since terrorists can be pirating MPAA/RIAA materials for money (Really - 17 USC 506 discusses criminal

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-05 Thread Blue Boar
Drsolly wrote: Copyright breach isn't a criminal offence, it's a civil matter. Not true, in the US. Not since the DMCA and later bills which attach criminal penalties to copyright. As much as $250,000 and 10 years in prison, if memory serves. BB

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-05 Thread Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah
Date sent: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:27:24 -0800 From: Blue Boar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Drsolly wrote: Copyright breach isn't a criminal offence, it's a civil matter. Not true, in the US. Not since the DMCA and later bills which attach criminal penalties to copyright.

RE: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-05 Thread Peter Kosinar
First, I am not a lawyer (and definitely not an expert in UK law), but this kind of discussion always attracts my attention, as it sometimes reveals the amount of absurdity hidden in most laws. Alan claims that: I am a work of artistic craftsmanship, irrespective of artistic quality. A

RE: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-05 Thread Richard M. Smith
with you the client. Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Kosinar Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:16 PM To: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: RE: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy First, I am not a lawyer (and definitely

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-05 Thread Brian Loe
On 12/5/06, Nick FitzGerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For copyright infringement? Well, kinda -- specifically under the DMCA. Pointing out that ROT13 is not really an effective encryption mechanism with which to secure copyrighted digital content is itself NOT allowed under the DMCA (showing

RE: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-04 Thread Larry Seltzer
I don't know if you've actually looked at the service, but the pictures are of the street, not focusing on anyone in it. Occasionally there is someone who you might be able to identify if you know who they are, but the pictures aren't sharp enough for the most part. I claim intellectual property

RE: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-04 Thread Drsolly
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Lubomir Kundrak wrote: On Po, 2006-12-04 at 11:11 +, Drsolly wrote: In my case, there's the issue of copyright. As the owner and creator of my face and body shape, I claim intellectual property in it, and they would have to negotiate a licence to use it or any

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-04 Thread Drsolly
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Dude VanWinkle wrote: Actually in the states, its the responsibility of the copyright holder to enforce their own interests. Of course. But it's also incumbent on everyone to respect other people's copyrights. Also, if you are well known, you are a public figure and

RE: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-04 Thread Larry Seltzer
://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/ Contributing Editor, PC Magazine [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dude VanWinkle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 4:48 PM To: Drsolly Cc: Larry Seltzer; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-04 Thread Brian Loe
On 12/4/06, Drsolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I claim intellectual property in it, and they would have to negotiate a licence to use it or any deriative work based on it, such as a picture of me. This is an unreasonable claim. Nobody can take a picture of a public street you're in unless

RE: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-04 Thread Richards, Jim
for the information requestor? -Original Message- From: Drsolly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 4:06 PM To: Larry Seltzer Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: RE: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Larry Seltzer wrote: Also, if you are well known, you

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-04 Thread Brian Loe
On 12/4/06, Richards, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I lived in London, the CCTV cameras were everywhere. Anyone can request video from any camera, and I am assuming they do not have to contact everyone in the requested footage for permission before complying with the request. And that's

RE: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-04 Thread Richard M. Smith
In the US (at least) I am free to take a photograph from a public place of virtually anything (so long as I'm not peeping through your windows). News to me. Over the past few years, I've been yelled at for taking a photo of a sign inside of an airport about the U.S. Visit program, a

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-04 Thread Dennis Henderson
On 12/4/06, Richard M. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the US (at least) I am free to take a photograph from a public place of virtually anything (so long as I'm not peeping through your windows). News to me. Over the past few years, I've been yelled at for taking a photo of a sign

Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-04 Thread Brian Loe
On 12/4/06, Dennis Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News to me. Over the past few years, I've been yelled at for taking a photo of a sign inside of an airport about the U.S. Visit program, a surveillance camera at a Starbucks, and the Wynn Casino in Las Vegas while it was under

[funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-03 Thread Randall M
_ From: kdawson Posted At: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:53 PM Posted To: Technology Conversation: Slashdot Subject: Windows Live and Privacy An anonymous reader writes Today as we were biking around our neighborhood in a small city we saw a strange vehicle slowly driving around. It

RE: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy

2006-12-03 Thread Larry Seltzer
An anonymous reader writes Today as we were biking around our neighborhood in a small city we saw a strange vehicle slowly driving around. I saw articles on the live driving thing months ago and tested it. I think they had Seattle and New York initially. No news here. What's the privacy issue?