Date sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:58:17 +1200
From: Nick FitzGerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > This is the usual state of The Security Community.
>
> Sorry, I'm havingtrouble parsing that.
>
> "This" being "disagreement" or "simplicity"?
I was thinking more of disagreem
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:58:17 +1200, Nick FitzGerald said:
> "This" being "disagreement" or "simplicity"?
A better boolean operator there might be "and", or maybe even "xor".
One of them will have a truth table that approximates reality better
than the "or" operator.
pgpmZWYK1rYxC.pgp
Descriptio
"Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah" to "The Security
Community":
> > The Security Community simply disagrees
>
> This is the usual state of The Security Community.
Sorry, I'm havingtrouble parsing that.
"This" being "disagreement" or "simplicity"?
Regards,
Nick FitzGerald
Date sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:11:29 -0400
From: The Security Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The Security Community simply disagrees
This is the usual state of The Security Community.
== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer)
[EMAIL PROT
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:47 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:22:56 EDT, The Security Community said:
>
>> Again, CyberArk != FBI and 47 != 70.
>
> You missed the point - if 47% are doing things that are quite possibly ECPA
> offenses, they could *easily* total 70% of *all*
Gadi Evron wrote:
> The original number is from some research in the 70s.
Yeah. Before "the internet" :-)
Jeff
___
Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts.
https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec
Note: funsec is a public and open m
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:22:56 EDT, The Security Community said:
> Again, CyberArk != FBI and 47 != 70.
You missed the point - if 47% are doing things that are quite possibly ECPA
offenses, they could *easily* total 70% of *all* the incidents *all by
themselves*.
Assume 5 sysadmins at a company. I
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:51:59 EDT, The Security Community said:
>>> If it bothers you *that* much, why don't you drop Calum and/or the ITWorld
>>> editorial staff a note about it?
>>
>> The comment is at the bottom of the page.
>>
>> Calum has been inducted into the 70 Percenters Hall of Shame.
>
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:51:59 EDT, The Security Community said:
>
> The original number is from some research in the 70s.
>
Then the articles should read "According to some research done in the 70s..."
But they don't.
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:01 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:51:59 EDT, The Security Community said:
>
> On the other hand, it's going to be very hard to fight the "70% are insiders"
> meme until you find a way to debunk this survey:
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:51:59 EDT, The Security Community said:
> > If it bothers you *that* much, why don't you drop Calum and/or the ITWorld
> > editorial staff a note about it?
>
> The comment is at the bottom of the page.
>
> Calum has been inducted into the 70 Percenters Hall of Shame.
>
> s
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:26:34 EDT, The Security Community said:
>
>> And yet the 70% Lie goes on... here's another one for the Hall of
>> Shame, published hours ago... same claim, no proof... this NEVER
>> stops...
>>
>> http://www.itwor
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:26:34 EDT, The Security Community said:
> And yet the 70% Lie goes on... here's another one for the Hall of
> Shame, published hours ago... same claim, no proof... this NEVER
> stops...
>
> http://www.itworld.com/opinion/53670/beware-hacker-next-door
>
> Beware the hacker
It's called a meme. They are hard to stop. It's easy to find many other
examples.
Richard
-Original Message-
From: The Security Community [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:27 PM
To: Richard M. Smith
Cc: funsec
Subject: Re: [funsec] Stop The 70% Lie
O
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Richard M. Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Personally, I find rapidly falling oil production in Mexico a much more
> compelling issue to be concerned with.
>
> Richard
>
And yet the 70% Lie goes on... here's another one for the Hall of
Shame, published hours
>>> The issue is not what the number "really is". The issue is the FBI
>>> never published it and journalists should stop using it until they can
>>> link to the facts.
Personally, I find rapidly falling oil production in Mexico a much more
compelling issue to be concerned with.
Richard
___
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:32 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:14:52 EDT, "Young, Keith" said:
>>
> I think Verizon Business's recent report (based on over 500 actual data breach
> incidents) is fairly credible. I'd certainly believe that insiders racked up
> 70% or more of
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:14:52 EDT, "Young, Keith" said:
>
> > There is no FBI research to support the "70% Lie". Probably
> > never has been and never will be. No one can cite the "original
> > research" because it doesn't exist. It is myth. It is urban legend.
>
> And how do you expect the
> There is no FBI research to support the "70% Lie". Probably
> never has been and never will be. No one can cite the "original
> research" because it doesn't exist. It is myth. It is urban legend.
And how do you expect the FBI to produce data on their research of
active/closed criminal int
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, The Securi
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
>>>
>>> Not reading the post below, I
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
>>
>> Not reading the post below, I can tell you the numbers are based on real
>> research, but it is so old my memory fa
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon &
Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (I was quite excited to find an updated link for the 2005 FBI survey --
> except that
> it doesn't work. Wish they'd do it again: it was pretty good ...)
>
Interesting. The filename of th
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
>
> Not reading the post below, I can tell you the numbers are based on real
> research, but it is so old my memory fails me.
The link to this research is all the Security Co
Date sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:29:02 -0400
From: The Security Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> http://70percenters.googlepages.com/
Good heavens! You mean ... the CSI/FBI survey was never more than an ...
opinion poll? My word! Whoever would have believed it!
(I
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, The Security Community wrote:
> http://70percenters.googlepages.com/
>
> "The FBI estimates that about 70 percent of all computer security
> breaches are perpetrated by insiders."
>
> For years this lie and variations on the same theme have been
> spreading through the Internet
L PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of The Security Community
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:29 PM
To: funsec; Full-Disclosure
Subject: [funsec] Stop The 70% Lie
http://70percenters.googlepages.com/
"The FBI estimates that about 70 percent of all computer security
breaches are perpetrated by insiders."
http://70percenters.googlepages.com/
"The FBI estimates that about 70 percent of all computer security
breaches are perpetrated by insiders."
For years this lie and variations on the same theme have been
spreading through the Internet and the industry press.
Year after year journalists, security
28 matches
Mail list logo
