Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-17 Thread Gadi Evron
Gadi Evron wrote: > Update: > Mr. Harris sent me an email stating he sent in a correction > recommendation. Let's see what happens with it. I guess his "recommendation" was not accepted. The lies are still on the web page. Oh well. It happens. Gadi. > > > Gadi Evron wrote: >> I spo

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-17 Thread Florian Weimer
* silky: > Well it's any language where the listener is allowed to infer that > what is not said can also be true. At least programming languages > aren't this way :) If I decide "System.out.println(32);" the compiler > doesn't decide to add '.println(21)' and claims that I never told it > not to

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread silky
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Drsolly wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jul 2009, silky wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Drsolly wrote: > > > See what happens when an untrained user tries to use the English language? > > > > Well it's any language where the listener is allowed to infer that > > wha

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread Drsolly
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009, silky wrote: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Drsolly wrote: > > See what happens when an untrained user tries to use the English language? > > Well it's any language where the listener is allowed to infer that > what is not said can also be true. At least programming langu

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread silky
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Drsolly wrote: > See what happens when an untrained user tries to use the English language? Well it's any language where the listener is allowed to infer that what is not said can also be true. At least programming languages aren't this way :) If I decide "System.o

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread B.K. DeLong
Don't forget to submit this to Attrition.org's Errata (http://attrition.org/errata) if he makes the correction worse. Always good for tracking such things in perpetuity. On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Gadi Evron wrote: > I spoke yesterday with one David Harris--I shouldn't have. He is a > report

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread Drsolly
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:12:54 PDT, robert_mcmil...@idg.com said: > > > > > Am I a journalist? Well, a couple of decades ago, I did a lot of paid > > > writing for PC magazines. But I haven't for a long time now. So, you > > > decide. > > > > >

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:12:54 PDT, robert_mcmil...@idg.com said: > > > Am I a journalist? Well, a couple of decades ago, I did a lot of paid > > writing for PC magazines. But I haven't for a long time now. So, you > > decide. > > > > I think your answer speaks for itself. "Hi, I'm drsolly's answe

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread Gadi Evron
robert_mcmil...@idg.com wrote: >> Am I a journalist? Well, a couple of decades ago, I did a lot of paid >> writing for PC magazines. But I haven't for a long time now. So, you >> decide. >> > > I think your answer speaks for itself. > hehe > ___ > F

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread Drsolly
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 robert_mcmil...@idg.com wrote: > > > Am I a journalist? Well, a couple of decades ago, I did a lot of paid > > writing for PC magazines. But I haven't for a long time now. So, you > > decide. > > > > I think your answer speaks for itself. Well, yes. Of course it does.

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread robert_mcmillan
> Am I a journalist? Well, a couple of decades ago, I did a lot of paid > writing for PC magazines. But I haven't for a long time now. So, you > decide. > I think your answer speaks for itself. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https:/

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread Drsolly
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 robert_mcmil...@idg.com wrote: > > > > I pretty much agree with you. I read a lot of stories and I agree that > some > > > journalists suck and some go the extra mile. I think there's a real > issue > > > with the mainstream media covering tech stories. > > > > Why do you thin

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread robert_mcmillan
> > I pretty much agree with you. I read a lot of stories and I agree that some > > journalists suck and some go the extra mile. I think there's a real issue > > with the mainstream media covering tech stories. > > Why do you think this only applies to tech stories? I'd guess that the > same appli

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-16 Thread Larry Seltzer
Drsolly: >> Why do you think this only applies to tech stories? I'd guess that the >> same applies to all kinds of story. Dr. Solly is right. I suspect every vertical trade press has analogous behavior to every other one and to the broader press. It all comes from the same basic competitive press

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-15 Thread Drsolly
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 robert_mcmil...@idg.com wrote: > Hey Toralv, > > I pretty much agree with you. I read a lot of stories and I agree that some > journalists suck and some go the extra mile. I think there's a real issue > with the mainstream media covering tech stories. Why do you think this on

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-15 Thread robert_mcmillan
Hey Toralv, I pretty much agree with you. I read a lot of stories and I agree that some journalists suck and some go the extra mile. I think there's a real issue with the mainstream media covering tech stories. They often just don't have the time to get the story really right, from a technical per

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-15 Thread Toralv_Dirro
> "The overwhelming majority of journalists... I respect and > care about." > > Can I quote you on that? > Maybe you can't quote Tom with that constructed quote, but it's quite true. Most journalists are looking for data, "expert" opinions, basically any help to get their article right. And the

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-15 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
box.org >Subject: Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind > >"The overwhelming majority of journalists... I respect and care >about." > >Can I quote you on that? > >Bob > >Robert McMillan >Senior Writer, IDG News Service >501 Second Street, Suite 120 &

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-15 Thread robert_mcmillan
"The overwhelming majority of journalists... I respect and care about." Can I quote you on that? Bob Robert McMillan Senior Writer, IDG News Service 501 Second Street, Suite 120 San Francisco, CA 94107 415 974-7470 Twitter: http://twitter.com/bobmcmillan The News Service distributes exclusive n

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-15 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
..@doxpara.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:32 AM >To: Tomas L. Byrnes >Cc: Gadi Evron; funsec >Subject: Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind > >This is a bit of an overreaction. Anyone on this list gets an inquiry >from someone they're wondering about, ping me p

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-15 Thread Gadi Evron
Dan Kaminsky wrote: > This is a bit of an overreaction. Anyone on this list gets an inquiry > from someone they're wondering about, ping me privately. There's some > good eggs out there. In fact, there are some funsec regulars who are reporters. Naturally that means they are good people. ;)

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-15 Thread Dan Kaminsky
edibility to write > their own prose or be believed on their own, but the ability to twist > others' beyond comprehension to suit their purposes. > > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec- >> boun...@linuxbox

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-15 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
funsec >Subject: Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind > >Update: >Mr. Harris sent me an email stating he sent in a correction >recommendation. Let's see what happens with it. > > > >Gadi Evron wrote: >> I spoke yesterday with one David Harris--I shoul

Re: [funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-14 Thread Gadi Evron
Update: Mr. Harris sent me an email stating he sent in a correction recommendation. Let's see what happens with it. Gadi Evron wrote: > I spoke yesterday with one David Harris--I shouldn't have. He is a > reporter for a Chinese publication and was writing a story on "cyber > war" in the middl

[funsec] press trickery of the worst kind

2009-07-14 Thread Gadi Evron
I spoke yesterday with one David Harris--I shouldn't have. He is a reporter for a Chinese publication and was writing a story on "cyber war" in the middle east. He was referenced by a friend so I was happy to help him. I mentioned how whenever there are political and ethnic tensions--anywhere,