Re: [funsec] quick OT thought

2008-04-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:52:23 +1200, Nick FitzGerald said: > That's overkill -- thorough-going implementation of the security bit: > >http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt You should have seen the look on Steve Bellovin's face when I got to tell him that a friend of mine (who worked at Comcast

Re: [funsec] quick OT thought

2008-04-17 Thread Hubbard, Dan
Why go up in layers when you can go down? Layer -5 = the meme layer is my favorite. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Les Bell Sent: Thu 4/17/2008 4:25 PM To: funsec Subject: Re: [funsec] quick OT thought RandallMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >>

Re: [funsec] quick OT thought

2008-04-17 Thread Les Bell
RandallMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> Perhaps its time for another layer: THE SECURE LAYER-LAYER 8. << It will have to be layer 10, since layers 8 and 9 have already been allocated: they're the finance layer and the politics layer, respectively. (Good luck trying to secure layer 9!). Best,

Re: [funsec] quick OT thought

2008-04-17 Thread Nick FitzGerald
RandallMan wrote: I think "OT for funsec" is almost an oxymoron... > Have been refreshing myself on CEH and CISSP studies. Looking over the OSI > model I noticed that all layers have been hacked! Perhaps its time for > another layer: > THE SECURE LAYER-LAYER 8. Perhaps this would fit true with a

Re: [funsec] quick OT thought

2008-04-17 Thread Nick FitzGerald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't go getting all serious on us -- this is funsec... > On the other hand, implementing security at Layer 8 almost guarantees that > it's > a "bolt on after the fact". ... And you're implying there is something wrong with this? Hell, we've been doing it for years an

Re: [funsec] quick OT thought

2008-04-17 Thread RandallMan
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:03 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:39:01 CDT, RandallMan said: > > > Have been refreshing myself on CEH and CISSP studies. Looking over the > OSI > > model I noticed that all layers have been hacked! Perhaps its time for > > another layer: > > THE

Re: [funsec] quick OT thought

2008-04-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:39:01 CDT, RandallMan said: > Have been refreshing myself on CEH and CISSP studies. Looking over the OSI > model I noticed that all layers have been hacked! Perhaps its time for > another layer: > THE SECURE LAYER-LAYER 8. Perhaps this would fit true with a "layered" > appro

[funsec] quick OT thought

2008-04-17 Thread RandallMan
Have been refreshing myself on CEH and CISSP studies. Looking over the OSI model I noticed that all layers have been hacked! Perhaps its time for another layer: THE SECURE LAYER-LAYER 8. Perhaps this would fit true with a "layered" approach to security. I know. I ramble. -- RandallMan --