Re: FW: re Real World Bottom Line

1997-10-09 Thread Jay Hanson
At 09:51 AM 10/10/97 +1000, jock mccardell wrote: >jay >i'm really directing this to all commentators on the question of 'the real >bottom line' but am unsure as to how to do the broadcast so could you >advise or relay or whatever > >some thoughts: >to convert fossil fuel dependent economies to u

Re: Tory MP calls for massacre of six hundred (fwd)

1997-10-09 Thread Charles J. Reid
DiFi's on the bandwagon, too. Interesting, don't you think? -- CJR -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:58:41 -0700 From: keri malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tory MP calls for massacre of six hundred Luke Murphy wrote: > > This piec

Tory MP calls for massacre of six hundred (fwd)

1997-10-09 Thread Charles J. Reid
FYI -- the usual right-wing Endlosung to a political problem. Conservatives where ever they may be in the 'end' propose the same kind of solutions. In the U.S., such lust exists only in the heart, of course! -- CJR -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:25:18 -0500

(en) US death row inspected by UN -- Guardian Weekly (fwd)

1997-10-09 Thread Charles J. Reid
Forwarding, FYI. -- CJR -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 97 00:27:47 From: Dave Cull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: (en) US death row inspected by UN -- Guardian Weekly International News / US death row inspected / Ed Vulliamy in Washington US death row inspected Ed

Re: REAL WORLD BOTTOM LINE: ENERGY

1997-10-09 Thread Tom Walker
Ed Weick wrote, > >Interesting concept, Tom, but would you not then also have to bring in the >benefits of the energy produced by that oil? For example, I can now get to >where I want to go many times faster than I could have by walking; I can >live and work in a comfortable environment in wint

Re: REAL WORLD BOTTOM LINE: ENERGY

1997-10-09 Thread Ed Weick
Tom Walker: >Somehow, Jay, I doubt we're really talking about the future. Are we? We're >talking about the present. Surely the fully-loaded energy cost of extracting >a barrel of oil TODAY already exceeds the energy that can be produced by >that barrel of oil. By "fully-loaded" I mean including

Re: FW: re Real World Bottom Line

1997-10-09 Thread Jay Hanson
At 01:39 PM 10/8/97 PST, you wrote: >[coal, fission, fusion and wind considered briefly and dismissed] > >>It's hard to tell the economists that there is no Santa >>Claus -- that the world runs on energy instead of money. >>But someone has to tell them: there is no way out -- >>physical laws DEM