Re: one's fly is unzipped

1999-01-25 Thread Durant
> The ultimate goal of a mind is to reproduce the genes that created it. > Among social primates, the ability to manipulate others is one of the most > important factors in getting one's genes into the next generation. The human > mind evolved primarily as a tool to manipulate others in complex so

Re: NEWS FROM THE WORLDWATCH INSTITUTE

1999-01-25 Thread Willem Georg
25 January 1999 With all respect for the great and invaluable work of the Worldwatch Institute, some distinction must be made between hard reality (most of the news relase) and some overly optimistic corporates' "solutions". At 18:08 24-01-99 -0500, Steve Kurtz posted (to 'ecological economi

Re: re:Sustainable Work

1999-01-25 Thread Edward Weick
Edward Weick wrote:- - If you were able to define "sustainable work", might it not lead to a similar use of the concept -- that is, lead to its use by national and international bureaucrats and justifiers as a mantra or cover for the destructive stuff that really goes on. Might wo

Re: Defining Sustainable

1999-01-25 Thread Eva Durant
Ok, I'm trying to be short, not rude... But this research effort reminds me of some age old stuff of the 60s or so, when they decided, that the colour of the walls would help the productivity of the workers... Cutting the boringness and team work would also for carworkers... Open vs closed spaces

Re: NEWS FROM THE WORLDWATCH INSTITUTE

1999-01-25 Thread Eva Durant
I agree with most of what you say, however, I cannot see with the present level of populations how to realise any sort of return to "traditional" methods. I think integrated use of resources still will be necessary and the use of all the science and technology we can get - but used solely for th

Re: dark ages

1999-01-25 Thread Eva Durant
our "ethical" labour govt. still licences the export of the same weapons/torture tools as the tories did, to the same regimes as before. Mo talks of sanctions, the people killed (women and others) have no lobbying power allies. What is the chance of govts ever doing anything for such indirect/ fu

[mai] Corporate Watch News 1/20/1999 (fwd)

1999-01-25 Thread Michael Gurstein
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:25:54 -0800 From: Corporate Watch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: What's New 1/20/99 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WHAT'S NEW ON CORPORATE WATCH January 20, 1999 The Watchdog on the Web We have updated our Globaliz

Re: Sustainable work

1999-01-25 Thread Neva Goodwin
At some point, we need to ask, why are we using the word, "work"? There are other good words -- "self-actualization" (well, that's not a very euphoneous one, but it has a good meaning), "play" -- I've tended to assume that "work" had to do with an output of some kind that was of value, not only t

Re: Samuelson lump-of-labor fallacy, 1998

1999-01-25 Thread Mike Hollinshead
For an answer to what I now name "The Lump of Samuelson Fallacy" (I thought of something entirely more biting to begin with but decided to be polite), please see my previous post about Krugman and the Austrians (below). Samuelson has been one of the greatest disasters to befall economics. It is d

Re: Sustainable work

1999-01-25 Thread Cordell, Arthur: DPP
The word work is a convention. Sustainable has, as Eva has pointed out, become very trendy. Put sustainable in front of anything and-- voila-- grants are given, research is funded. And calling something sustainable is like saying, why its ecologically sound. Good for the environment. Like par

Re: one's fly is unzipped

1999-01-25 Thread Jay Hanson
- Original Message - From: Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Even the best of the present nominal democracy won't work >if the power is not in fact in the hand of those elected by dubious >means. Which doesn't mean that democracy cannot work, It's an empirical fact that democracy is on the way

How science is really done

1999-01-25 Thread Mike Hollinshead
Regarding the subject of what is science and definitions which emphasized observation and rejection of theories when counter factual data is presented, I thought the two following documents would be of interest. Scientists do not as a rule observe and then theorize. They typically do it the othe

FW: A Living Wage (fwd)

1999-01-25 Thread S. Lerner
Date:Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:11:00 -0500 From:Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Living Wages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "Fighting for a Living Wage" by Dr. Manning Marable "Along the Color Line" January 1999 According to most economists and corp

Re: Sustainable work

1999-01-25 Thread Edward Weick
Neva Goodwin: "At some point, we need to ask, why are we using the word, "work"? There are other good words -- "self-actualization" (well, that's not a very euphoneous one, but it has a good meaning), "play" -- I've tended to assume that "work" had to do with an output of some kind that was of va

Designer seeds

1999-01-25 Thread Edward Weick
From the Globe and Mail: Designer seeds a growing concern in India Monday, January 25, 1999John Stackhouse Badshahpur, India -- Ever since the cotton-field massacre,

Re: Sustainable work

1999-01-25 Thread Jay Hanson
- Original Message - >Neva Goodwin: > >"At some point, we need to ask, why are we using the word, "work"? Exactly! In a world with Limits to Growth, only those people who are "needed" to produce essential goods and services should work. All the rest should "play". See "The Foulest of T

Re: one's fly is unzipped

1999-01-25 Thread Jay Hanson
- Original Message - From: Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> The ultimate goal of a mind is to reproduce the genes that created it. >wrong, and there are plenty of human (they are the ones with the mind) Good point! I am working on my next paper. It's changed to: "A mind is predisposed to

Re: Defining Sustainable

1999-01-25 Thread Ray E. Harrell
Eva Durant wrote: > I'd prefer to concentrate on a bit > more revolutionary aspects > of the workplace... > we could play with the thought > how we picture a truly democratic workplace, > but I don't think that your project superwisors > and founders are really interested in that... Sure they

Samuelson's lump-of-labor, 1998

1999-01-25 Thread Tom Walker
Another peculiarity of Samuelson's argument is that he assumes EITHER redistribution of the NEW hours resulting from increased demand when those hours reach some unspecified threshold OR, *fallaciously*, that the increased demand magically arrives (presumably at the aggregate level?) in "job lumps

Re: Sustainable work

1999-01-25 Thread Neva Goodwin
An early childhood memory is of coming home from church and repeating what I had heard from the elderly Scottish minister: "We all must wurrrk in this wurrrld." It was something my siblings and I repeated to one another from time to time in the ensuing years -- a bit of knowledge about Th

Re: one's fly is unzipped

1999-01-25 Thread Jay Hanson
- Original Message - From: Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >but not a good enough point in respons the one I made; >humans are motivated more for pleasure/happiness >than reproduction. That's why babies have to look cute >and toy-like at least in our culturaly freer society > Even than quite

Re: Samuelson's lump-of-labor, 1998

1999-01-25 Thread Tom Walker
Ray Harrell wrote, >The argument I have made on these lists for a number of years is that this >is all related to value. What one decides to value and pay money for. >Today in the U.S. >they have decided to pay the money they used to pay for the commodity milk, >for stocks and bonds instead. (

real-life example

1999-01-25 Thread Jay Hanson
- Original Message - From: Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >How do you know what's it like when it is not run by the rich? >The primaly desired outcome is to satisfy first the basic than >other needs. Democracy assures than the outome is always just, >or as just as possible, all there is for t