Re: Scientology

1999-12-22 Thread Christoph Reuss
I thought the bet was "Any wacko can start a multi-million biz in the U$." ;-) Chris Mike H wrote: > One story of the origins of Scientology goes as follows. > > Ron Hubbard, the founder, was having a drink with the boys and shooting the > breeze about religion and Ron said "Anybody can start a

Scientology

1999-12-22 Thread Mike Hollinshead
One story of the origins of Scientology goes as follows. Ron Hubbard, the founder, was having a drink with the boys and shooting the breeze about religion and Ron said "Anybody can start a religion. I could start a religion." "Bet you can't." "Bet I can." Ron won the bet.

List information

1999-12-22 Thread Tom Christoffel
Please send me info on your list, archive website, whatever. Thanks - Tom Christoffel Tom Christoffel, AICP * e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Futurist, Facilitator & Regional Planner - My mission: "Value Regions because Regions Work!" Why? The economy is global; production is local; all markets in-betwe

Unhealthy Societies

1999-12-22 Thread Ian Ritchie
FYI > -- > From: Keith Rankin[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Did you see the Tuesday documentary on TV1 last night? It was called "The > Great Leveller" and is based on the book _Unhealthy Societies_ by British > economic historian Richard Wilkinson. > > Wilkinson has shown through

Re: Microsoft cooperates with Scientology

1999-12-22 Thread Brad Hanson
I'm a lurker but I thought I'd throw my $0.02 worth in here. While I'm a manager by trade I have an interest in alternative belief systems and the organisational culture of cults and fringe sects. From my studies, I would argue that Scientology is nothing more than a business which has been very

Re: Microsoft cooperates with Scientology

1999-12-22 Thread Christoph Reuss
REH replied: > Are you serious about this? Yes, just visit the URL. (You're right that the story sounds like one of the many M$ jokes, and indeed it gets increasingly difficult to tell the difference between the (sur)real developments at M$ and the jokes...) > There are a lot of Scientologist

In response to recent postings on a new mail list

1999-12-22 Thread WesBurt
To: Clint Conaster, Lisa Leonard, Ed Deak, Russell McOrmond and many others on several mail lists who all want the best possible future for humanity. Hi Clint, Lisa, Ed, and Russell, Your concerned and insightful postings on the new list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> reflect your mutual interests in the

Microsoft and the Mars Lander

1999-12-22 Thread Ed Goertzen
Has anyone else heard that a Microsoft Windows crash was not the cause of the Mars Lander crash? As evidence, when Microsoft Windows crashes, the screen turns a deep blue. The screen displaying the image from Mars was a deep pink. Merry Christmas and Health, Happiness and Prosperity for the Ne

Re: Microsoft cooperates with Scientology

1999-12-22 Thread AC
Ray - Chris' information is pertinent. I object to your attempt (IMO) to discredit his efforts to share relevant and important information. To use your rhetorical device: Surely you're not attempting to silence criticism of the Scientologists? You state that, in your opinion, one should not

Re: The two essential features of the capitalist system

1999-12-22 Thread john courtneidge
Dear Robert and f/w friends, all, Thanks in abundance for this. I strongly agree that a 'pre-design' analysis of values is worth doing. (I've a values-selection list that I could e-send in this vein.) A complimentary approach that I've played with is to craft a 'Needs-Based' analysis, which mi

Re: The two essential features of the capitalist system

1999-12-22 Thread john courtneidge
Dear Bill and f/w friends, Thanks, also, in abundance for this. Firstly, I *absolutely* agree that we need to move from the concept (legally enforced!) of 'Ownership' to one of 'Stewardship.' ("Possessions possess" and all that!) Secondly, thanks Bill (Bill? William? Will?) for completing the

Re: The two essential features of the capitalist system - on from Seattle?

1999-12-22 Thread john courtneidge
Dear f/w friends Time, perhaps for a next step in this. My guess might be that few of us see capitalism as *the* last word in social and global management ('That which has a start also has an end' and so on.) I think, that, if we are to have any chance of defining a better system (at least one,

Re: The two essential features of the capitalist system

1999-12-22 Thread William B Ward
John, it would appear, if my thinking is correct, that we already have a complete matrix [see end of the message below]. What we may need to do is add some other intervening variables which deal with other than ownership. For instance, AZT was developed with about a billion dollars of public tax

FW Working Homeless (fwd)

1999-12-22 Thread S. Lerner
>From: "Victor Milne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Citizens on the Web" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Working Homeless >Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:01:28 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314

FW OECD doubts benefits of dole work for jobless (fwd)

1999-12-22 Thread S. Lerner
>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:11:54 +1100 (EST) >X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Unverified) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Bartlett) >Subject: [workfare] LL:ART: OECD doubts benefits of dole work for jobless >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: The two essential features of the capitalist system

1999-12-22 Thread W. Robert Needham
re: your post of Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:43:52 -0500 A quick reponse. What do you mean by communism? Is the organizational form or your communism hierarchical as in the 'Etatism' of Stalin's Russia? What are the operational sets of values that are at work in capitalism (how about unconstrained liber

Re: Microsoft cooperates with Scientology

1999-12-22 Thread Ray E. Harrell
Chris, Are you serious about this?There are a lot of Scientologists in the arts and I don't find them anymore of a problem than the regular church groups with calls for public support in sending the poor to parochial schools.Can Scientology be any worse than church abused orphans of a gen