Re: FW: Re: The Functions of Poverty (was Blaming the Victors)

2000-04-03 Thread Harry Pollard
Robert, You suggested: "society's rationalizations for not being able to solve its problems?" I suspect therein lies the problem. Society doesn't solve problems though it may create them. You and I solve problems. However as said Einstein (I think) in a quote that I enjoy: "Solutions are ea

Re: Blaming the victors [Winning without fighting -- culture'sway]

2000-03-29 Thread Brian McAndrews
I appreciate Brad McCormick's struggle to make himself clear. I believe the problem is language. We are forced to use it (language), as I am doing now to address the problem. I've had some success helping beginning English teachers wrestle with this. Most people seem comfortable with the word 'con

FW: Re: The Functions of Poverty (was Blaming the Victors)

2000-03-26 Thread Robert Rosenstein
I sent this to BasicIncome by mistake. If you receuved it once already, my apologies. This is a response to JohnCourtneidje's posting about poverty. To the 15 points may be added: War is good because so many wonderful medical and technological inventions are made. If there weren't criminals, w

RE: Blaming the victors

2000-03-24 Thread Brian McAndrews
I believe this captures a great deal: >"It is not necessary to construct a theory of intentional cultural >control. In truth, the strength of the control process rests in its >apparent absence. The desired systemic result is achieved ordinarily by a >loose though effective institutional process.

RE: Blaming the victors

2000-03-23 Thread Christoph Reuss
Arthur Cordell wrote: > On a more brutal note, if an occupying force tries to keep an occupied > village of 100 in line by shooting one villager (and this to a large degree > is successful) do we say that those who get the message are now self > censoring or have effective selection processes ta

Re: Blaming the victors

2000-03-23 Thread john courtneidge
Dear Friends The following seems relevant Hugs j ** THE FUNCTIONS OF POVERTY (From "Poverty in the United Kingdom"; Townsend, Peter; Penguin Books Ltd, London, England; 1979) "One application of the functionalist approach to the phenomenon of poverty allows us t

RE: Blaming the victors

2000-03-22 Thread Timework Web
and goals is now put in place. > People understand what is wanted and understand the price to pay for > changing the alignment. > > > arthur cordell > -- > From: Timework Web > To: Michael Gurstein > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Blaming the victors >

RE: Blaming the victors

2000-03-22 Thread Cordell . Arthur
effective alignment of occupier values and goals is now put in place. People understand what is wanted and understand the price to pay for changing the alignment. arthur cordell -- From: Timework Web To: Michael Gurstein Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Blaming the victors Date: Wednesday

RE: Blaming the victors

2000-03-22 Thread Timework Web
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Michael Gurstein wrote: > Assuming that such consistency is achieved (through effective selection > processes, often including psychological evaluation, for example), then no > censorship, self or otherwise is required... That's explicitly assuming an awful lot and implicitl

RE: Blaming the victors

2000-03-21 Thread Michael Gurstein
ED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Blaming the victors The scum is in ourselves, not in our stars, methinks. It would be much easier to "do something" about the injustice in the world than most of us admit, either to ourselves or to others. I

RE: Blaming the victors

2000-03-16 Thread Ed Goertzen
d with both. Regards Ed G = X-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Envelope-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:20:13 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Reuss) Subject: RE: Blaming the victors Cc: [

Re: Blaming the victors

2000-03-15 Thread Ray E. Harrell
our workplace is self-censorship.  One reply I get, though, is that the only faultless move a bureaucrat can make is to do nothing!! Arthur Cordell  -- From: Timework Web To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Blaming the victors Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 1:39PM The scum is in ourselves, not in o

RE: Blaming the victors

2000-03-15 Thread Christoph Reuss
> One reply I get, though, is that the only > faultless move a bureaucrat can make is to do nothing!! Gee, and I thought doing nothing was the *main* fault of bureaucrats... Most of the time they play "bureaucrat Mikado" -- the first one who moves has lost! ;-) Chris

RE: Blaming the victors

2000-03-15 Thread Timework Web
The old gorillas and cold water trick. In the epilogue to Eros and Civilization, Marcuse gives the following quote written by Freud during the First World War: "Think of the colossal brutality, cruelty and mendacity which is now allowed to spread itself over the civilized world. Do you really be

RE: Blaming the victors

2000-03-15 Thread Cordell, Arthur: #ECOM - COME
Yup. I tell my colleagues that the most profound form of censorship in our workplace is self-censorship. One reply I get, though, is that the only faultless move a bureaucrat can make is to do nothing!! Arthur Cordell -- From: Timework Web To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Blaming the

Blaming the victors

2000-03-15 Thread Timework Web
The scum is in ourselves, not in our stars, methinks. It would be much easier to "do something" about the injustice in the world than most of us admit, either to ourselves or to others. It seems to me that the self-censorship I encounter in people at the middle levels is far in excess of what peop