At 11:07 AM -0700 6/19/2010, Peter Haas wrote:
Amdahl is out of business (liquidated), thanks to the incredibly bad
decision-making of majority owner Fujitsu LTD.
Peter ... proud to have been an Amdahl employ for two decades.
Ah, the days when a quick job was anything that ran in under a CPU
At 11:55 AM -0600 6/19/2010, Doug McNutt wrote:
Just because nobody seems to have mentioned it. . .
Without multiplexing, 64 bit addressing of external memory requires
64 external pins on the chip. Have you looked at the pins on a
modern processor chip? Where would you put 32 more? How about
On Jun 19, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Dan wrote:
Mainframe vs Microprocessor.
IBM's CMOS product line is based upon an S/390 microprocessor.
One processor per chip, with six such processors on a single CPU card
in the G1 family of CMOS machines. Perhaps more in later machines.
With the G1, and e
On Jun 19, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Dan wrote:
WRT the cooling... I always found it interesting that companies
like Amdahl had air-cooled mainframes that were faster than IBM's
twitchy chilled water systems. That mess was all about power and
heat sink patents and licensing, and the bad blood be
Just because nobody seems to have mentioned it. . .
Without multiplexing, 64 bit addressing of external memory requires 64 external
pins on the chip. Have you looked at the pins on a modern processor chip? Where
would you put 32 more? How about the printed circuit wiring that connects the
memo
At 9:35 AM -0700 6/19/2010, Peter Haas wrote:
However, addressing was 24-bit, and as storage then cost about
$1,000,000 per megabyte, so a 6-megabyte machine was about all
anyone could afford. Plus, such a machine consumed about 140
kilo-volt-amperes (about 140,000 watts) of power, almost all o
On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Go do the research yourself and you'll find that i'm correct.
Sure, 128-bit data was accommodated, as an "extended word" of
floating-point data, but integer data was still 32-bits per word (but
which could be extended in 32-bit increments
At 1:59 AM -0400 6/19/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
I've noticed something. The government keeps us out of all of their
little secrets. 64-bit is not ever close to being new. The standard
computer out there today in best buy is 64-bit, while back in the
1960's [...]
Really, there were two big
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 5:59 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
> I've noticed something. The government keeps us out of all of their
> little secrets. 64-bit is not ever close to being new. The standard
> computer out there today in best buy is 64-bit, while back in the
> 1960's the world's first 64-bit
I've noticed something. The government keeps us out of all of their
little secrets. 64-bit is not ever close to being new. The standard
computer out there today in best buy is 64-bit, while back in the
1960's the world's first 64-bit computer was overly protected by the
government and was operated
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:43 PM, ah...clem wrote:
> how can you tell if it's booting the 32-bit kernel or 64-bit kernel?
I look at what is listed in the System Profiler under "Software"
The image below is from the article at the 2'nd link.
http://macperformanceguide.com/images-SnowLeopard/Verif
At 4:47 PM -0700 6/18/2010, ah...clem wrote:
i've just been informed by a reliable source that OSX is a 32-bit
operating system,
Mac OS X has provided a 64-bit application environment for quite some
time, on hardware that could support it. Parts were there in Tiger,
then more in Leopard. Bu
how can you tell if it's booting the 32-bit kernel or 64-bit kernel?
btw, i am not a complete idiot. i wrote code 40+y ago, in fortran G
and IBM Turbo assembler (one step above 1s and 0s). at the time, i
had a moderate understanding of system level computing. but i haven't
done anything like th
On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:35 PM, iJohn wrote:
Perhaps his complaint is related to the fact that many of the Intel
Macs are currently still booting the 32-bit kernel rather than the
64-bit kernel.
Most likely.
My Product Hs boot Snow in 64-bit mode, and they work fine that way.
The only time I h
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:15 PM, ah...clem wrote:
> ok, well this *clueless wanker* is Dr. Warren Hehre, developer of
> Spartan and numerous other scientific computing apps, who has been
> writing apps for MacOS for the past 20 years.
Oh, great. At first I thought he was just an idiot, but it now
ok, well this *clueless wanker* is Dr. Warren Hehre, developer of
Spartan and numerous other scientific computing apps, who has been
writing apps for MacOS for the past 20 years. i have a spiffy new 3.3
GHz 2010 Mac that came with SL 10.6.3 factory installed, and i also
have the latest version of
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:47 PM, ah...clem wrote:
> i've just been informed by a reliable source that OSX is a 32-bit
> operating system, and because of that, no application can address more
> than 2GB of RAM.
Well, no. Your reliable source is apparently not so reliable. The
complete answer is ..
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On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:47 PM, ah...clem wrote:
> i've just been informed by a reliable source that OSX is a 32-bit
s/reliable source/clueless wanker/
There, fixed it for yah.
In actuality it is both. up through 10.5 OS X was 32-bit (with 64 bit parts on
some systems, notably the G5's)
10.6 is
I don't know for sure, but up until recently there has been so few 64
bit applications out there to make it largely irrelevant until fairly
recently.
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 6:47 PM, ah...clem wrote:
> i've just been informed by a reliable source that OSX is a 32-bit
> operating system, and becau
i've just been informed by a reliable source that OSX is a 32-bit
operating system, and because of that, no application can address more
than 2GB of RAM. if this is true, i am shocked. WTF is going on at
apple?? hyping 64-bit hardware for the past seven years and loading
it with a 32-bit OS???
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