g_b arithmetically correct

Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:35:55 -0700

Hi Aditya...GREAT mails dude...Keep it up..
 
just wanted to point out (for fun) that it will work out to 2.34 million men if one considers that maximum 4 women per men are allowed..You will need to progress the calculation for the 1.75m women who will be deprived of men with this conversion... and so on...i.e.
the Total =
1.755 +
0.43875 +
0.109688 +
0.027422 +
0.006855 +
0.001714 +
0.000428 +
0.000107 +
2.68E-05 +
6.69E-06 +
 
= 2.339998 million (calculated to the last person involved)
cheers
aj


Aditya Bondyopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Darling Messenger,
 
I read the biography of Phrophet Muhhamad for the first time when I was in VIIIth Standard. It was a children's book published by IBH. Since then I have read many versions from many scholars, belonging to many denominations of the Islamic faith. I have also read  a few written by non-islamic scholars, one by a feminist scholar, and at least one by a pretend-muslim bigot. I use the word pretend-muslim very consciously, for I am convinced that the prophet would have cringed in horror at what this person had to say in his name.
 
Getting back to the biography, almost every time I read about him, I was impressed. I do not really care a great deal about whether his ideas were home grown or came to him through direct telepathy from God. The ideas are impressive by themselves. I marvelled at his political astuteness, the timings of his phrophesies and directions [almost always in time to enforce a needed change in law, or to fit a political or other requirement of the hour], his military strategies, his leadership abilities, his democratc emphasis on the jamaat, and his administrative acumen. But mostly I marvelled at his jurisprudence, which was much ahead of his time, much liberal, and needless to say much required.
 
If pre-islamic Arabs were burying female infants alive, undoubtedly this liberal gentleman would have been horrified. But his keen understanding of empowerment meant that he did not just pass a direction against female infanticide. He through his laws, for the first time in history, gave true power to the female. He instituted Mehr [ i.e. Dower, while before dowry was the norm], he gave her a say in consenting to her marriage, he gave her one third of her father's property as inheritance, He gave her the right to seek Khula [or divorce from an uncaring husband], all unheard of before that time. He singlehandedly changed the status of women from being their men's chattel to being valued individuals in their own right, who could live life independently and with dignity.
 
Which brings me to Muslims, the so called followers of this liberal gentleman. All you need to do is spend 24 hours in any average city in Saudi Arabia to see what these staunch wahabi keepers of the islamic flame have done to the nobel ideas of the Phrophet about women. Without much ado, let me just say, that by calling themselves muslims, they are actually shaming the phrophet. Their actions are repulsive to everything the Phrophet stood for, and worked his entire life for. Sorry to say this, but most entrenched muslim power blocks today do not deserve to have this great man as their phrophet. And if the Phrophet were around today, I think he would agree.
 
The laws that the phrophet gave, were all good for their time, based on the understanding, science, and knowledge of their time, and needed in their time as a reforming influence. If there is one common undercurrent to these laws, it was punish the guilty - harshly if needed, but otherwise make laws that are good for the greatest numbers, that benefit the most, that are liberal, and that promote peace and harmony. The staunchest keepers of the Islamic faith today is totally blind to this ethos of the Phrophet, and that is the great shame of the muslim world.
 
Reform, a key word in the phrophet's life and actions, was lost in the political power-mongering of his successors across the centuries, and the great islamic jurisprudence has therefore today crystallised into a time-warped pre-medeaval deadwood, unsuited to the times. Reform, the one legacy of the phrophet that should have been the guiding light of islamic jurisprudence has been made into its anathema. Muslims have successfully failed their Phrophet, ironically while invoking the Phrophet himself for everything. Congratulations..!!
 
Which brings me to the question of homosexuality. In a world where numbers are important, and infant mortality high, the state or any other political power that be would invariably undertake to ensure larger degrees of procreation. An example is the consession that the phrophet made regarding polygamy, in an age when there were more war widows, and less men, it was important that these women be protected, and their reproductive rights promoted within an state recognised and sanctioned system. So he allowed each man to take upto four wives, and treat each of them equally in every way. Proscriptions against non-procreative homosexuality, howsoever that may be justified, in that system is understandable.
 
But today the facts are different. Today there are more people than the world needs or can support. Today the scientific understanding of what causes homosexuality has changed. Today the paradigms of rights and punishments have changed. If the islamic world had kept alive the ethos of reform, it would today be at the forefront of gay rights, for peace, harmony, and the greatest good of all is really Islam. Today if the Phrophet were alive, I have no doubts that he would be the champion of all oppressed and marginalised segments of society. That includes Gay men and lesbian women. The phrophet would understand the scientific truth of homosexuality, pit it against the falsehood of homophobia, and come out our champion.
 
In other words dear messenger, do not just quote Isra [70:81], imbibe its ethos, translate it into practice, and do not be an idiot otherwise. Please earn your right to be called a muslim, in spirit, not just in mindless practice. A practice incidentally sanctioned and regimentised today by those who are anyway the Phrophet's shame.
 
Which brings me to your dillema about the 7.8 million more women than men in America. The problem you quote and the context in which you hope to quote it do not exactly gel, but given the fact that you are writing, that is understandable. However if you are the mindless practitioner of the islamic faith, there is a very simple islamic solution to the problem. 0.78 million of these 7.8 million are lesbians who do not want to get married [estimate from Kinsey scale]. That leaves 7.02 million. All you have to do is convert 1.75 million more American men into muslims, and each can then marry four women, and bingo, your problem is solved.
 
The last line of your mail says "its very important that you practice". I think the Quoran would rather that you "thought", before you practiced anything. Islam was never intended to be a religion of mindless, unthinking, idiotic automatons.
 
Love, Aditya

 
On 17/04/06, Messenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million.The U.S.A as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays.
If gayism is logically correct, so lets assume today all men in USA become gays.
This will destroy USA within a century becuase of significant drop in birth rate.
 
I have no intention to hurt anyone but i just want to speak the truth. Do you know in pre-islamic arabia, people used to bury new born females alive but prophet (PBUH) came and stopped that community as otherwise it would have destroyed them as well.
 
Similarly i am not against any specific set of people and i sincerely apologize if i have hurt the feelings of any one on this group.
 
Quran says in surah Isra, chapter 70, verse 81:
 
"When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes for falsehood is by it's nature bound to perish".
 
Those muslims who drink alcohol and do things which are prohibited in islam like homosexuality,fornication,child abuse,molestation,usury etc should not label them as muslims. It is very important that you practice.
 
~Messenger.

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