Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-31 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Basile Starynkevitch bas...@starynkevitch.net writes: What I am very scared of, is to make someone at FSF unhappy or angry against me. I have a very fuzzy perception of the FSF [I'm living on a different continent, I am not a native English speaker, etc..]. I don't know who is an influent

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-30 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 02:10 +0200, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: On Sun, 30 May 2010, Basile Starynkevitch wrote: Perhaps the question becomes: whom should I ask permission to add an exception to MELT code's license to permit it to generate a *texi documentation, or alternatively to relicense all

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-30 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Basile Starynkevitch bas...@starynkevitch.net wrote: PS. The point is that from my far point of sight/view, understanding who is the GCC Steering Comittee [other that the few people speaking as SC at GCC Summit] and who is the FSF is very unclear.

trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Marc Espie
So, I used to contribute back to gcc regularly, got overwhelmed by other stuff, but I'm back. Case in point: I've added stuff to OpenBSD for secure handling of trampolines. Since trampolines require an executable stack, we want to make sure we don't have trampolines all over the place, hence a

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Steven Bosscher
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: Is there something I'm missing ? Is there a way I can still be the owner of that patch and release it as I wish ? Yes. Read your copyright assignment. You have perpetual rights to do as you see fit with the code you wrote,

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Richard Kenner
If I recall correctly, it means I transfer all possible rights to the FSF. I no longer own my patch. Then it gets released as part of gcc-current, under the GPLv3. If I get things correctly *I can no longer release it under GPLv2+*, as we do for our mutant fork of gcc 4.2.1. Is there

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 15:45 +0200, Marc Espie wrote: However, if I submit it, per-the-rules, against gcc-current, for it to be integrated, I need to waive my rights (I have a (c) assignment already on record at the FSF, so a priori, I don't need more paperwork). If I recall correctly, it

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 03:49:48PM +0200, Steven Bosscher wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: Is there something I'm missing ? Is there a way I can still be the owner of that patch and release it as I wish ? Yes. Read your copyright assignment. You

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Magnus Granberg
lördag 29 maj 2010 15.45.09 skrev Marc Espie: So, I used to contribute back to gcc regularly, got overwhelmed by other stuff, but I'm back. Case in point: I've added stuff to OpenBSD for secure handling of trampolines. Since trampolines require an executable stack, we want to make sure

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 15:49 +0200, Steven Bosscher wrote: Yes. Read your copyright assignment. You have perpetual rights to do as you see fit with the code you wrote, even if you assigned copyright to the FSF. Perhaps this might solve my GPL vs GFDL issues on the MELT branch (where a *texi

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Robert Dewar
Basile Starynkevitch wrote: Does any one know any name of a person from FSF who could give a practical advice? I know nobody in person from FSF - unless there have been some FSF people at some GCC summit I did attend. You really can't expect to get free legal advice from the FSF. If you need

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 12:45 -0400, Robert Dewar wrote: Basile Starynkevitch wrote: Does any one know any name of a person from FSF who could give a practical advice? I know nobody in person from FSF - unless there have been some FSF people at some GCC summit I did attend. You really

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Basile Starynkevitch bas...@starynkevitch.net wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 12:45 -0400, Robert Dewar wrote: Basile Starynkevitch wrote: Does any one know any name of a person from FSF who could give a practical advice? I know nobody in person from FSF -

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:48 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Basile Starynkevitch bas...@starynkevitch.net wrote: I don't seek legal advice. I am only seeking *practical* advice. yet, you are largely talking about legal issues in substance. More licensing

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Robert Dewar
Basile Starynkevitch wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:48 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Basile Starynkevitch bas...@starynkevitch.net wrote: I don't seek legal advice. I am only seeking *practical* advice. yet, you are largely talking about legal issues in

Re: trampolines handling, important copyright question

2010-05-29 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Sun, 30 May 2010, Basile Starynkevitch wrote: Perhaps the question becomes: whom should I ask permission to add an exception to MELT code's license to permit it to generate a *texi documentation, or alternatively to relicense all existing melt*texi files under GPL (so MELT documentation