Re: gEDA-user: Haunted BF982

2006-11-01 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:09:06AM -0800, Samuel A. Falvo II wrote: On 10/30/06, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't - the transistor is in a hole in a metal shielding partition, two legs (G1,G2) on one side and the other two on the other (D, S). No way to use the metal shielding

Re: gEDA-user: Re: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-11-01 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 11:45:08PM +, Michael Sokolov wrote: Kai-Martin Knaak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why varicad is the only non open source software on my box. ^^^ So you don't work with FPGAs then, huh? The

Re: gEDA-user: Re: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-11-01 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 05:05:21AM +, Michael Sokolov wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto for the Xilinx toolchain on my box. At least once you are registered, get the free-as-in-beer download, Xilinx XST works natively and without monkeying with license keys. I've tried it, but

Re: gEDA-user: experiences using geda with students

2006-11-01 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 12:15:48PM -0600, John Griessen wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: We run a robot design project, . . . the desire is (from the project's leader) that the students use gschem or similar to draw their schematics. We aren't yet at the stage where these students build

Re: gEDA-user: gwave installation failure on OpenBSD

2006-11-01 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 08:21:44PM -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: Karel Kulhavy wrote: guile-gtk-2.1-0.31 from http://geda.seul.org/sources.html fails on OpenBSD 3.9 with rm -f /usr/local/bin/build-guile-gtk rm -f /usr/local/bin/guile-gtk ln /usr/local/bin/build-guile-gtk-1.2

Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status

2006-11-01 Thread Bob Paddock
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 23:25, Steve Meier wrote: I think I will drop into this group a brief passage fom Heisenberg's Quantum Theory translated into English in 1930. Here spontaneuos transitions may occure to the states of negative energy; as these have never been observed Perhaps.

Re: gEDA-user: gwave installation failure on OpenBSD

2006-11-01 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] So it's basically nondeterministic - if it calls make directly then it will be OpenBSD make, if it goes through the alias mechanism in the shell, then it will be GNU make. If the make calls itself recursively and has bad luck it can actually end up calling a different implementation of

Re: gEDA-user: gwave installation failure on OpenBSD

2006-11-01 Thread Dan McMahill
Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 08:21:44PM -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: Karel Kulhavy wrote: That issue aside, are you using GNU make or OpenBSD's make? I've found Hard to tell. The make executable is OpenBSD make. The gmake executable is GNU make. However I made this alias

Re: gEDA-user: Re: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-11-01 Thread Dan McMahill
Karel Kulhavy wrote: The free download version of Quartus-II I found seems to need WINE and (no cost) keys. Can you confirm that, or did I do something wrong? I'm not using that version, I'm using the native Linux version. You can I have OpenBSD. Is there also a native OpenBSD version? :)

Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status

2006-11-01 Thread Steve Meier
I will give you all a couple of clues.. The equation garbled as it may be is the more complex version of E = M*C^2 Next go see who received the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1936. Steve Meier wrote: I think I will drop into this group a brief passage fom Heisenberg's Quantum Theory translated

Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status

2006-11-01 Thread Evan Lavelle
Steve Meier wrote: So what was wrong? What occured that proved both theories were correct? The discovery of the Positron. Seems a bit far removed from EDA, though... ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status

2006-11-01 Thread John Doty
On Oct 31, 2006, at 9:25 PM, Steve Meier wrote: I think I will drop into this group a brief passage fom Heisenberg's Quantum Theory translated into English in 1930. Dirac has set up a wave equation which is valid for one electron and is invarient under the Lorentian transformation. It

Re: gEDA-user: experiences using geda with students

2006-11-01 Thread John Griessen
Karel Kulhavy wrote: Here's a board etched with it: http://shop.cottagematic.com/elab/etched-board-epson-photo-paper.jpg This photo was out of focus, but it's easy to see in a bubble tank when laminate substrate is showing -- copper can still be seen on the bottom edge.

Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status

2006-11-01 Thread Bill Sloman
At 05:25 1-11-2006, you wrote: I think I will drop into this group a brief passage fom Heisenberg's Quantum Theory translated into English in 1930. Dirac has set up a wave equation which is valid for one electron and is invarient under the Lorentian transformation. It fulfills all requirements

Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status

2006-11-01 Thread Steve Meier
John has it correct. It is facinating reading this text. A modern quantum physics book presents the theory as cold hard fact... but back in 1930 when it was brand new Heisenberg was presenting it in an almost appoligetic and not quite sure manner. Steve M. John Doty wrote: On Oct 31, 2006,

Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status

2006-11-01 Thread DJ Delorie
The discovery of the Positron. Seems a bit far removed from EDA, though... Positrons are only slightly smaller than 01005 capacitors. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Re: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-11-01 Thread Michael Sokolov
Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't need high complexity circuits, then you can implement things from medium-scale integrated circuits instead of FPGA, and then you don't have to use proprietary software :) Care to implement a Nokia SDSL framer and an ATM TC-PHY in MSI?

Re: gEDA-user: Re: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-11-01 Thread Steve Meier
Sure why not here is a link to an individual who built a replica of the Apollo Guidance System, using discrete components and wire wrap, in his basement. http://www.spaceref.com/exploration/apollo/acgreplica/ Steve M. On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 17:49 +, Michael Sokolov wrote: Karel Kulhavy

Re: gEDA-user: Which version of guile-gtk is later?

2006-11-01 Thread wk0
- Hello, which version of guile-gtk is later? 0.5 or 1.2-0.31? CL 0.5 is the latest. There was also 0.40 between 0.31 and 0.5, so 0.5 shoud be really 0.50. Wojciech Kazubski ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Re: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-11-01 Thread Michael Sokolov
Steve Meier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure why not here is a link to an individual who built a replica of the Apollo Guidance System, using discrete components and wire wrap, in his basement. Of course a discrete logic wire-wrapped computer is cool. There is no question on that one. But

Re: gEDA-user: Re: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-11-01 Thread Steve Meier
Michael, I am in the same boat as you we also use altera software because our designs here at MRA Tek are so demanding and complex and need to be in such a small physical volumn that even if descrete components could handle the computational speed that we need (which they don't) we couldn't

Re: gEDA-user: Re: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-11-01 Thread Dave McGuire
On Nov 1, 2006, at 7:35 PM, Steve Meier wrote: But as you said Of course a discrete logic wire-wrapped computer is cool or a bit nutty but more power to the builder. It all depends on what you're into. I've been discussing a project with a friend that would involve building what amounts

Re: gEDA-user: Re: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-11-01 Thread DJ Delorie
It all depends on what you're into. I've been discussing a project with a friend that would involve building what amounts to a copy of the PDP-8 (Straight-8, no suffix) with individual transistors. It's fun, cool, and highly educational in a number of areas. Are you going to be true to

Re: gEDA-user: Re: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-11-01 Thread ldoolitt
Dave - On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:12:49PM -0500, Dave McGuire wrote: It all depends on what you're into. I've been discussing a project with a friend that would involve building what amounts to a copy of the PDP-8 (Straight-8, no suffix) with individual transistors. It's fun, cool,

Re: gEDA-user: Re: Pointer to 3d CAD?

2006-11-01 Thread Dave McGuire
On Nov 1, 2006, at 11:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once personally diagnosed and replaced a blown diode in a PDP-5. When it blew, it made an accumulator bit stick on, and the machine became unusable. That event caused the machine to be retired from the Caltech Cyclotron. My friends and I