Re: gEDA-user: Re: AVI video gschem

2006-12-05 Thread kmk
Ales Hvezda wrote: If you want the specific transistor type to show up in a BOM, then you probably have to modify the device attribute, Thanks for clarification. I will change my attribute habits. ---(kaimartin)--- -- Lilalaser tel: +49.511.4850615

Re: gEDA-user: AVI video gschem

2006-12-05 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 06:42:45PM -0500, Ales Hvezda wrote: Hi Karel, I forgot to tell the licence - the video at http://ronja.twibright.com/video/gschem.avi is under GFDL licence. Neat. Do you think I should upload it to archive.org? Seems kinda specific to gEDA

Re: gEDA-user: Mirroring text in geda-pcb

2006-12-05 Thread DJ Delorie
Quick check - are you sure your layer groups have your solder layer in the solder (bottom) group, and your component layer in the component (top) group? Because for me, if I'm looking at the component side (i.e. component names read normally) and add text to the solder side, the text reads

RE: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Adrian Nania
I do believe for more than 98% of people working with electronic components it is not possible to install and use the latest gEDA version. The endless compiling errors and flavor dependencies are unbelievable. Yeah, we can always google around and after many hard working weeks have an installation

RE: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Stuart Brorson
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Adrian Nania wrote: I do believe for more than 98% of people working with electronic components it is not possible to install and use the latest gEDA version. The endless compiling errors and flavor dependencies are unbelievable. Yeah, we can always google around and

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Dave McGuire
On Dec 5, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Adrian Nania wrote: [snip] I agree with Ales -- a Windows port would open the floodgates to hords of whining clueless fools. Why should we subject ourselves to that? Supporting the clueful users (and there are quite a few) is already a big job which we do

RE: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Stuart Brorson
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Adrian Nania wrote: [snip] I agree with Ales -- a Windows port would open the floodgates to hords of whining clueless fools. Why should we subject ourselves to that? Supporting the clueful users (and there are quite a few) is already a big job which we do exclusively for

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread DJ Delorie
Or be prepared to pay my consulting rates. Do we need a www.gedaconsulting.org ? :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Andy Peters
On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:50 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Adrian Nania wrote: [snip] I agree with Ales -- a Windows port would open the floodgates to hords of whining clueless fools. Why should we subject ourselves to that? Supporting the clueful users (and there are

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread al davis
On Monday 04 December 2006 19:26, Adrian Nania wrote: It is possible for some good Samaritan to compile for windows and make available all the updated gEDA packages? To answer this, you must understand how the binary packages are made, and who does them. Speaking as the creator of gnucap, one

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread al davis
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 14:23, Stuart Brorson wrote: Or be prepared to pay my consulting rates. To all reading this .. Please take this as an invitation. There are no problems, only unmet business opportunities. One way to increase the priority of any task is to pay for it. Speaking

RE: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Stuart Brorson
It would be great if there was a native Windows port of gEDA. [.] Thus you aren't likely to get the current group to put any effort into a Windows port. Not unless we are paid handsomely. Of course I speak only for myself here; if somebody wants to put in all that work for free, they are

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread al davis
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:01, Stuart Brorson wrote: I think RedHat has already cornered that market! only for IT like stuff, not EDA. I can see sort of a cooperative business model, where companies would buy in and fund it in exchange for prioritizing what they need. Years ago, all of

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Michael Sokolov
Andy Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) (Most) Hardware guys want to design and implement hardware. Tools are the means to that end, not the end in itself, and we'd rather do our work than deal with tool build failures. I just feel like adding one different data point. I come into the

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Stuart Brorson
This was when I found out about the real impact of the NGspice licensing problems, which brings up a serious lesson we all need to learn. I think the NGspice developers still don't understand what the real problem was. Ummm, what is the problem? Is it just the BSD ver. 1 licence thing, or

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread John Griessen
Dave McGuire wrote: None of the hardware people that *I* associate with use Windows. None. Not chip design folks especially. John G ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: Or be prepared to pay my consulting rates. Do we need a www.gedaconsulting.org ? :-) No, www.gedaconsulting.com of course! JG ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread DJ Delorie
I'll probably just hire someone else to do it once I'm done with the schematic entry phase and am confident enough in it. hmm... ask here first ;-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

gEDA-user: geda-consulting.com (was: strange build at Xantrex.com)

2006-12-05 Thread John Griessen
al davis wrote: Another business opportunity is to sell CAD systems, ready to go, complete with the hardware. Each one is custom. Considering all of the parts that are available, it seems easy to do. There are already lots of businesses that do this for IT applications. I like this

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: Or be prepared to pay my consulting rates. Do we need a www.gedaconsulting.org ? :-) Stuart Brorson wrote: Should I grab the name before some spammer gets it? Use 1and1.com for $5.99 per year. John G happy customer of 1and1.com

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Dan McMahill
Mike Hansen wrote: You can also install cygwin under windows and install gEDA under cygwin. I believe there are a multitude of problems with this arrangement so you will have to check docs. I could be wrong but I thought things mostly worked there now. It would be great if there was a

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Andy Peters
On Dec 5, 2006, at 8:53 PM, Michael Sokolov wrote: For a hard-core UNIX programmer like me, the only way to design hardware is to make it look like UNIX software: write the source with vi, keep it in CVS and compile with make, all in the absence of a graphical display. A graphical display

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, isn't Xantrex some kind of mood drug? Let's try to keep discussions on geda-* somewhat related to electronics. Please. Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list

gEDA-user: Re: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Stephen Williams
Ales Hvezda wrote: Hi, [snip] It is possible for some good Samaritan to compile for windows and make available all the updated gEDA packages? I've had the make the Windows port available discussion many many times (both virtually and in person). Just this last week I was talking to

gEDA-user: Re: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Stephen Williams
DJ Delorie wrote: Or be prepared to pay my consulting rates. Do we need a www.gedaconsulting.org ? I could get behind something like that. Or rather gedaconsulting.com. -- Steve WilliamsThe woods are lovely, dark and deep. steve at icarus.com But I have promises to

gEDA-user: Re: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Stephen Williams
al davis wrote: On Tuesday 05 December 2006 14:23, Stuart Brorson wrote: Or be prepared to pay my consulting rates. To all reading this .. Please take this as an invitation. There are no problems, only unmet business opportunities. One way to increase the priority of any task is to pay

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread DJ Delorie
Use 1and1.com for $5.99 per year. My local isp is $12/year and... local! That's where I get all *my* domains. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: gschem symbol search order

2006-12-05 Thread Carlos Nieves Ónega
El vie, 27-10-2006 a las 08:08 -0400, Ales Hvezda escribió: Hi, If you have a (component-library ...) line in your local gafrc file (in $HOME/.gEDA), should that directory be searched before any others for symbols? Yes, that is what I expected when I first read your e-mail. But

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Andy Peters
On Dec 5, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Dan McMahill wrote: Mike Hansen wrote: You can also install cygwin under windows and install gEDA under cygwin. I believe there are a multitude of problems with this arrangement so you will have to check docs. I could be wrong but I thought things mostly

gEDA-user: Re: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Cesar Strauss
Andy Peters wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 4:40 PM, Ales Hvezda wrote: [snip] guile-config compile and guile-config link and guile-config info I'm guessing that is where the /home/janneke/... is coming from. Ah, guile-config link and guile-config info both reveal the /home/janneke/

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Ales Hvezda
Hi, I guess I forgot to mention that some people have very strong opinions on this very topic. [snip] On the other hand, many times we do not have access to a Linux box. Windows is unfortunately or not the single available desktop in many places. Now, I do not believe Windows users are jerks.

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] gschem and gnetlist -- should just work under cygwin. If not it should be pretty easy I'd guess. In terms of a non-cygwin windows version I gEDA/gaf just works under cygwin thanks to a few dedicated individuals. suspect it is basically not hard except for guile. There I

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Michael Sokolov
Andy Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it's not likely a serious PCB editing tool will be text based (top-shelf PCB layout people have excellent visual and visualization skills and can do a great job of using the least amount of PCB real- estate while getting the least-congested

Re: gEDA-user: Re: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] Right now I am absolutely thrilled with the quality of the users and discussions on the mailing lists and I have no intention of crashing a good thing. Well, I for one do not use Windows except under duress, but I think the above sentiment is a tad patronizing. Icarus Verilog includes

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Michael Sokolov
DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll probably just hire someone else to do [layout] once I'm done with the schematic entry phase and am confident enough in it. hmm... ask here first ;-) That's exactly what I was going to do when I'm done with the schematics. But I need to get all my

Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Ales Hvezda
Hi Dan, [snip] 1) I do think it would probably make sense to create a more unified top level build and top level distfile for gEDA. While there may be some users who want to install gschem for schematics and only want to use it for postscript output, most people probably want to install the

gEDA-user: Tomorrow! December Free Dog meeting announcement -- reminder!

2006-12-05 Thread Stuart Brorson
-- Free Dog Gathering Announcement The Free EDA Users Group will meet this coming *Wednesday*, December 6th. As usual, let's meet at the Starbucks across the street from Quantum Books on Ames St, between Main St and Broadway. It's about 1 block away from the

Re: gEDA-user: Re: strange build failure

2006-12-05 Thread Dan McMahill
Stephen Williams wrote: Ales Hvezda wrote: Hi, [snip] It is possible for some good Samaritan to compile for windows and make available all the updated gEDA packages? I've had the make the Windows port available discussion many many times (both virtually and in person). Just this last