Call me weird or old-school, but I avoid all those things like the
plague. They add cost, risk, yield, schedule, and availability
problems. If a board can't be laid out on a plain-old 6-layer pcb
(OK, maybe 8 or 10 in a pinch), you didn't architect it right.
Agreed. The associated cost and
On 9/5/07, DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judging by how touchy everyone here gets as soon as you mention
_any_ criticisms against the current user interfaces of the tools,
Huh?
Don't make me go back into the archives. ;D
I'm talking about people who offer complaints about
There are a number of issues which need to be addresses around this,
but lets look at this one: barrier to entry.
On the cost front, the barrier to entry is very low - every one can afford gEDA.
Then you have a couple of other issues, which, to me, are all lumped
together in a new users mind,
On Thursday 06 September 2007 01:40:24 am Larry Doolittle wrote:
It only lacks support for ideas such as buried,
blind or micro vias,...
Call me weird or old-school, but I avoid all those things like the
plague. They add cost, risk, yield, schedule, and availability
problems. If a board
On Sep 5, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Andy Fong wrote:
Just wonder if there is any professional PCB layout services out
there that actually will use geda/pcb?
I have some schematics and PCB layout (10 layers) created with one
of the well known proprietary CAD software
and from time to time, I
andrewm wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
But first and foremost, everyone needs to realize
that most of the developers are in it for their own
personal benefit.
DJ, so a slowly growing base is more preferable to a
rapidly growing user base and I should not try
encourage people to give
Hi all,
rambling
Imagine thousands of hits __every__ day on the geda-user mailing list,
emails about user problems or automagiccally generated bug reports by the
underlying windoze OS ?
All those bug reports to be looked into and processed into a presentation
for the senior management as to
Not getting your back-office development work done ?
I don't have to imagine this one ;-)
Imagine features wanted by users, actually being filed by users and
actually being solved by developers ?
Or this one :-)
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Sorry to bump this topic, I hope it will be forgiven if I don't do it a
second time.
Has anyone noticed this problem before?
Philipp
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On 9/6/07, andrewm wrote:
I am probably in a good position to push others
in the direction of using gEDA but I am not
sure how many people would take the push and
not give up.
Well, I've started some work on providing gEDA on a livecd.
I've a development release on torrent :
On Thursday 06 September 2007, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
Most of the time, opensource EDA are left out during big
linux events.
and also left out of big EDA events.
It's not deliberate that we are left out. We need to choose
to go.
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It's not deliberate that we are left out. We need to choose to
go.
And pay for booth space if we want a presence.
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It's not deliberate that we are left out. We need to
choose to go.
And pay for booth space if we want a presence.
Not necessarily. I didn't say booth. There are other ways.
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On 9/6/07, al davis wrote:
It's not deliberate that we are left out. We need to
choose to go.
And pay for booth space if we want a presence.
Not necessarily. I didn't say booth. There are other ways.
I might provide some space at any fedora booth worldwide for people
who want to
On Aug 30, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On Aug 30, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Timothy Normand Miller wrote:
I'm no longer obsessed with maximizing performance of the machine.
Now, I want to maximize my performance as a programmer.
Be very, very careful with that attitude. Back in the
I thought this snippet from of one of Paul Graham's essays
(http://www.paulgraham.com/colleges.html) might be relevant to this
discussion,
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There used to be a saying in the corporate world: No one ever got
fired for buying IBM. You no longer hear this about IBM specifically,
but the idea is
On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 22:40 -0700, Larry Doolittle wrote:
Guys -
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 10:07:49PM -0700, Steve Meier wrote:
The reality of PCB is that it is capable of 95% of the tasks needed of a
pcb layout program. It only lacks support for ideas such as buried,
blind or micro vias,
Duncan Drennan wrote:
Real or not, I would reckon that there is a perceived risk in adopting
gEDA, even though in a lot of ways the risk is reduced (future
support, openness, etc.) The more gEDA success stories there are at a
*commercial* level, the lower the perceived risk will be. In what
For the benefit of anyone like me who's not familiar with the
complexities of automake, configure scrips and the like, if you're
trying to build pcb from cvs, you need to run autogen.sh before
configure because Fedora 7 comes with automake-1.10, not 1.9.
Also, the version I just checked out had
I think for gEDA to be adopted as a commercial product, someone must setup a
company to charge
people thousands of dollar for a yearly support contract so they can call
anytime and talk to someone
quick in order to get things resolved.
But you guys have been telling me for a 10 layer board with
Maybe gEDA CAN be a product. Short of the developers attending lots
of public meetings in suits, that is... :-)
I don't even own a suit. I don't even think I own any long sleeve
shirts.
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On 9/6/07, John Griessen wrote:
I think writing tutorials well is one good way. Another is stories
about successful uses, put up on the gEDA website just like product
offerers do.
I tend to agree with John here.
Perhaps a Curriculum Vitae like for each application which highlights
its big
Andy Fong wrote:
But you guys have been telling me for a 10 layer board with high speed
digital signals, gEDA (or rather PCB)
is not ready yet. I want to believe the other way.
It will only get better, you get open access to have your design
updated later, and with all the GUI features being
Andy -
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 05:00:46PM -0400, Andy Fong wrote:
But you guys have been telling me for a 10 layer board with high speed
digital signals, gEDA (or rather PCB)
is not ready yet.
Who said that?
I want to believe the other way. What are missing if I
don't need the fancy via's
Release Notes: TBD
Release Notes: http://geda.seul.org/release/v1.2/1.2.0/gaf-1.2.0-relnotes.html
Corrections most welcome,
-Ales
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On Sep 5, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Samuel A. Falvo II wrote:
I'm talking about people who offer complaints about inconsistencies
between the UI of gschem versus PCB (something that I've since gotten
used to, after a VERY long period of acclimation). Invariably we hear
the usual rhetoric of people
PCB is very capable of building high frequency boards. For example Matt
Ettus (http://www.ettus.com) has developed a product which he describes
as The Universal Software Radio Peripheral, or USRP, is device which
allows you to create a software radio using any computer with a USB 2
port. Various
After I auto-numbered a schematic with a dpdt omron relay the relay has a
refdes starting with the letter k. Is there a way for me to configure
gschem so that relays are numbered with the correct letter? And, am I right
in assuming that should be the letter s?
While I'm asking this question I'd
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