Re: gEDA-user: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread Dave McGuire
On Sep 9, 2007, at 11:58 AM, Bob Paddock wrote: >>I find them to be the easiest to deal with, personally. Who do >> you call "normal" distributors? I've done business with Allied, >> Arrow, Avnet, and Newark, > > There is also NuHorizians, Shuster (sp?), Sager in this area as > well. Than

Re: gEDA-user: PCM making methods - was - Re: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> http://www.thehacktory.com/LaserClose.jpg Yup, that's the kind of fuzzy I get (but more so). However, with properly humidified TT paper, I do get a more consistent black than that photo. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://ww

Re: gEDA-user: PCM making methods - was - Re: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread andrewm
>> andrewm wrote: >> DJ - When you are etching your brass stencils they are almost all >> resist and only tiny apatures. If you work out the cost of inkjet >> ink and the amount of coverage you need - it may make a $200K laser >> cutter seem like a prudent investment :D > > DJ Delorie wrot

Re: gEDA-user: PCM making methods - was - Re: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> DJ - When you are etching your brass stencils they are almost all > resist and only tiny apatures. If you work out the cost of inkjet > ink and the amount of coverage you need - it may make a $200K laser > cutter seem like a prudent investment :D More like $90k. I've checked. And you can put

gEDA-user: PCM making methods - was - Re: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread andrewm
>> JohnG wrote: >> What do you all think about inkjetting of resists? The second biggest problem apparent with direct inkjet is pooling. The big problem is surely the ink not actually resisting. But pooling caused by too much ink in one spot while wet is causing uneven coverage and the thin ar

Re: gEDA-user: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread Dave McGuire
On Sep 9, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Andy Peters wrote: >> As for Digikey pricing if you compare it to Mosuer over the last six >> months, Digikey prices have risen significantly. > > I've noticed that if Mouser has an identical product (same > manufacturer, same part number) or a compatible product, they t

Re: gEDA-user: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread Andy Peters
On Sep 8, 2007, at 11:28 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > Unfortunately, Digikey put the wrong parts in the PIC24's envolope, so > I'm short two CPUs. I'm sure they'll fix that error before I need the > other two boards. Has anyone else had problems with Digikey shipping > the wrong parts? This is the s

Re: gEDA-user: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread Andy Peters
On Sep 9, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Bob Paddock wrote: > As for Digikey pricing if you compare it to Mosuer over the last six > months, Digikey prices have risen significantly. I've noticed that if Mouser has an identical product (same manufacturer, same part number) or a compatible product, they tend

Re: gEDA-user: batch printing

2007-09-09 Thread Duncan Drennan
> Would it be possible to setup a simple Makefile that would act as a > project management file? Is this a practical way to go about managing your project files? What are the alternatives? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.

Re: gEDA-user: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sunday 09 September 2007 11:48:24 am Dave McGuire wrote: > > *All* of the time. For reasons I do not comprehend, work > > gets most of their parts from Digikey and Mosure. > > I'm sure they buy high enough quantities to get > > them from 'normal' distributors. > >I find them to be the easi

Re: gEDA-user: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread Dave McGuire
On Sep 9, 2007, at 7:51 AM, Bob Paddock wrote: >> Has anyone else had problems with Digikey shipping >> the wrong parts? > > *All* of the time. For reasons I do not comprehend, work > gets most of their parts from Digikey and Mosure. > I'm sure they buy high enough quantities to get > them from '

Re: gEDA-user: PCB problems

2007-09-09 Thread al davis
On Sunday 09 September 2007, Bob Paddock wrote: > > It might be easier to reinstall the operating system. > > Isn't that like killing the patient to "cure" them? In a way ... I always set up my machines with a spare partition that can be used to install again without clobbering the original. It

Re: gEDA-user: PCB problems

2007-09-09 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sunday 09 September 2007 10:27:57 am al davis wrote: > and you need to have the 32 bit libraries installed. > > It might be easier to reinstall the operating system. Isn't that like killing the patient to "cure" them? Here are instructions for setting up a 32 bit chroot in a 64 bit environme

Re: gEDA-user: batch printing

2007-09-09 Thread al davis
On Sunday 09 September 2007, DJ Delorie wrote: > Basic Makefiles are easy.  Each rule is like this: > > target-file : files it depends on >    some command >    another command >    another command That's a tab before the commands. Spaces don't work.

Re: gEDA-user: batch printing

2007-09-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> I"ve been wanting to learn make rule writing and just got some > little exposure using tinyOS core modules since they use make files. Basic Makefiles are easy. Each rule is like this: target-file : files it depends on some command another command another co

Re: gEDA-user: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> What do you all think about inkjetting of resists? In my case, since I was etching brass, I probably could have just run the brass through an unmodified printer. But getting the right inks and keeping the nozzles clean seems to be a tricky bit for them. Heck, I have a hard time keeping the noz

Re: gEDA-user: batch printing

2007-09-09 Thread John Griessen
Duncan Drennan wrote: >>> Anyone interested in contributing to this? > > What's the best way to go about doing that? Start a page on the wiki, > or start a new mailing thread and thrash it out here? Here. Just snip out and reduce the old before posting. Maybe Mike Jarabek will chime in, and othe

Re: gEDA-user: batch printing

2007-09-09 Thread Duncan Drennan
> > Anyone interested in contributing to this? What's the best way to go about doing that? Start a page on the wiki, or start a new mailing thread and thrash it out here? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/m

Re: gEDA-user: batch printing

2007-09-09 Thread John Griessen
Duncan Drennan wrote: > I had a chance to go and figure this all out, and here is the > resulting make file Making a netlist could be > added by adding a "netlist" make rule, and so on. > > Anyone interested in contributing to this? Yep. JG -- Ecosensory Austin TX __

Re: gEDA-user: perspective on marketing vs. substance

2007-09-09 Thread John Griessen
Duncan Drennan wrote: > These two comments stand out (to me), > >> I was just about ready to jump ship for Eagle when I found KiCAD. I >> can spend all day on KiCAD and feel completely calm throughout the day, >> and satisfied with the end result. That's because the applications are >> stable,

Re: gEDA-user: batch printing

2007-09-09 Thread Duncan Drennan
I had a chance to go and figure this all out, and here is the resulting make file which I am using (thanks Ben and Peter for the tips here). I'm sure this can be greatly improved to be more flexible and use more of make's built in macros and so on. = PROJNAME = project1 SHEETS = sheet1.sch sh

Re: gEDA-user: PCB problems

2007-09-09 Thread al davis
On Sunday 09 September 2007, Peter Clifton wrote: > You'd have to recompile PCB. > > Before running configure, export the "CFLAGS" variable to > include "-m32" > > Eg. > > CFLAGS="-m32" ./configure --with-hid=gtk and you need to have the 32 bit libraries installed. It might be easier to reinstall

Re: gEDA-user: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: > The gelatin paper trick didn't work. The paper wasn't flat after it > dried, the first sheet wrinkled in the printer, and the second just > didn't let go of the toner after I laminated it. I went back to the > special paper for the paste mask. I looked up the webpage by Ste

Re: gEDA-user: PCB problems

2007-09-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 08:24 -0500, Harold D. Skank wrote: > On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 11:16 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > What I find is that frequently when I start a job (most recently miter), > > > the job starts OK, then the monitor shows that memory consumption starts > > > to grow until I see o

Re: gEDA-user: PCB problems

2007-09-09 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 08:19 -0500, Harold D. Skank wrote: > Thanks, that's a thought. How do I get into the 32-bit mode? > > Harold Skank You'd have to recompile PCB. Before running configure, export the "CFLAGS" variable to include "-m32" Eg. CFLAGS="-m32" ./configure --with-hid=gtk (H

Re: gEDA-user: PCB problems

2007-09-09 Thread Harold D. Skank
On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 11:16 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > What I find is that frequently when I start a job (most recently miter), > > the job starts OK, then the monitor shows that memory consumption starts > > to grow until I see of the order of 99.0-99.5% memory commitment. > > Any messages in t

Re: gEDA-user: PCB problems

2007-09-09 Thread Harold D. Skank
Thanks, that's a thought. How do I get into the 32-bit mode? Harold Skank On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 10:01 -0400, al davis wrote: > On Saturday 08 September 2007, Harold D. Skank wrote: > > I need to emphasize that I have my machine loaded to maximum > > memory capacity. Can anyone suggest a rat

Re: gEDA-user: alarm clock update

2007-09-09 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sunday 09 September 2007 02:28:16 am DJ Delorie wrote: > Has anyone else had problems with Digikey shipping > the wrong parts? *All* of the time. For reasons I do not comprehend, work gets most of their parts from Digikey and Mosure. I'm sure they buy high enough quantities to get them fro

Re: gEDA-user: perspective on marketing vs. substance

2007-09-09 Thread Duncan Drennan
These two comments stand out (to me), > I was just about ready to jump ship for Eagle when I found KiCAD. I > can spend all day on KiCAD and feel completely calm throughout the day, > and satisfied with the end result. That's because the applications are > stable, and the interface is modern a