Re: gEDA-user: Driving the netlist from PCB (instead of gschem)

2008-09-29 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: Perhaps if the netlist used symbolic names (pin names in pcb) instead of pin numbers, and added a pin-swap list? Then pcb could swap the symbolic names and everything else just works. That sounds like a good way to define a netlist. Has Steve Meier already tested this

Re: gEDA-user: Ground flooding and DRC

2008-09-29 Thread David Kuehling
Ben == Ben Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:49:45PM +0200, David Kuehling wrote: Unfortunately, flooding 0603 components results in a thin copper hair in between the pads, that is less than 6 mil and thus violates design rules.

Re: gEDA-user: pcb, how to make windows in ground and power planes?

2008-09-29 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Stefan Salewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a) Minimize parasitic capacitance to any AC ground for all of the signal I/O pins. Parasitic capacitance on the output and inverting input pins can cause instability—on the noninvert- ing input, it can react with the source impedance to cause

gEDA-user: Error in Centroid Calculation

2008-09-29 Thread John Luciani
There appears to be an error in the centroid calculation in pcb-20080202. If I load the pcb (below) in version pcb-20050315 and output the xy data I get C1,0805,0.1u,700.00,325.00,0,bottom when I output xy data with pcb-20080202 (both lesstif and gtk) I get C1,0805,0.1u,700.00,529.00,0,bottom

Re: gEDA-user: Error in Centroid Calculation

2008-09-29 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 09:13 -0400, John Luciani wrote: There appears to be an error in the centroid calculation in pcb-20080202. If I load the pcb (below) in version pcb-20050315 and output the xy data I get C1,0805,0.1u,700.00,325.00,0,bottom Is that the stock 0805 footprint, or your own?

Re: gEDA-user: Error in Centroid Calculation

2008-09-29 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 09:35 -0400, John Luciani wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Peter Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 09:13 -0400, John Luciani wrote: Is that the stock 0805 footprint, or your own? My own. Just wondering.. I have a lot of 0805 parts

Re: gEDA-user: Error in Centroid Calculation

2008-09-29 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 15:01 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 09:35 -0400, John Luciani wrote: Does your XY data look correct for your 0805 parts? It seems to be correct in gerbv, although I have never figured out how gerbv seems to guess the size of component box it

Re: gEDA-user: Error in Centroid Calculation

2008-09-29 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hmm, let's do some math: Board size: Xpcb = 184200, Ypcb = 85400 [mil/100]. C1 is on: Xcomp = 700, Ycomp = 325 [mil] Centroid XY coords: X = Xcomp, Y = Ypcb - Ycomp = 854 -325 = 529 [mil] Hmm, version 20080202 looks good to me. Where are your origins ? IIRC, Dan did explain this one (and

Re: gEDA-user: Error in Centroid Calculation

2008-09-29 Thread John Luciani
IIRC board coordinates are measured from the upper left so board size should have no affect on the centroid coordinates within my board. If I center the crosshair in the center of the 0805 (which is the centroid for this package) both versions of PCB display the value (700,325). When the xy data

Re: gEDA-user: Driving the netlist from PCB (instead of gschem)

2008-09-29 Thread Ben Jackson
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 05:42:58PM +0200, Bernd Jendrissek wrote: I can still see how to do this fairly easily for swaps of equivalent inputs on the same functional unit / slot, but could one extend such a pin-swap database to handle swapping of whole slots at a time? I can think of several

Re: gEDA-user: Error in Centroid Calculation

2008-09-29 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi John, In my git-ified pcb repo I have: quote Author: danmc danmc Date: 01/03/2008 12:45:12 AM Parent: change the preprocessor logic a bit to avoid #ifdef-ing i... Child: apply patch 1852864 GTK HID: scrolled layer preferences Branch: master (Display nets as a hierarchical tree in the netlist

gEDA-user: Documentation for convert_sym README file

2008-09-29 Thread Kipton Moravec
Program name: convert_sym Written by: Mike Jarabek convert_sym takes ViewLogic Viewdraw schematic or symbol and outputs a gschem compatible file. This utility should be considered a work in progress. Be warned, this program has quite a few limitations. See the README file in the utils/ directory

Re: gEDA-user: Documentation for convert_sym README file

2008-09-29 Thread Mike Jarabek
Kipton Moravec wrote: Program name: convert_sym Written by: Mike Jarabek convert_sym takes ViewLogic Viewdraw schematic or symbol and outputs a gschem compatible file. This utility should be considered a work in progress. Be warned, this program has quite a few limitations. See the README

Re: gEDA-user: Documentation for convert_sym README file

2008-09-29 Thread Kipton Moravec
Thanks for the quick response. I will let you know how it goes. I have 13 years of schematics to convert. Kip On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 19:19 -0400, Mike Jarabek wrote: Kipton Moravec wrote: Program name: convert_sym Written by: Mike Jarabek convert_sym takes ViewLogic Viewdraw schematic or

Re: gEDA-user: Problem breaking apart an element in the buffer

2008-09-29 Thread DJ Delorie
Fixed. The problem wasn't that the pads disappeared, they were created on the wrong layer. I checked in the attached patch, give it a try. Index: buffer.c === RCS file: /cvsroot/pcb/pcb/src/buffer.c,v retrieving revision 1.45 diff

Re: gEDA-user: Driving the netlist from PCB (instead of gschem)

2008-09-29 Thread Rick Collins
At 07:06 PM 9/28/2008, you wrote: I guess I am thinking in terms of having partially routed a net and found that to continue, it is better to swap a pin at the unrouted end. Are you saying that you can see the problem without routing? Yes, sometimes. For example, running 24 chip select

Re: gEDA-user: Documentation for convert_sym README file

2008-09-29 Thread Kipton Moravec
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 19:19 -0400, Mike Jarabek wrote: Kipton Moravec wrote: You can use this program on the Viewdraw schematics, and all symbol files, running it should give a brief command line synopsis. When you set up your geda project, I would recommend putting the schematics in one

Re: gEDA-user: Driving the netlist from PCB (instead of gschem)

2008-09-29 Thread DJ Delorie
If you just update the schematic and import the new net list, doesn't that cause the trace for that net to be ripped up? It doesn't rip it up, but it does show up as a short. And how is that then fixed? It's not fixed. You still have to edit the board to make it match the netlist;