Re: gEDA-user: terminators

2009-04-07 Thread DJ Delorie
> DJ is just looking for the best way to solve his design problem. I think what I'll do is leave the chip where it is, and add what serpentines I can to the shorter traces. I'll leave in the LA connector but solder in the via wires in such a way that I can remove them later - that way, I can deb

Re: gEDA-user: terminators

2009-04-07 Thread gene glick
Hi Steven, I thought your rule of thumb and mine were nearly the same, actually. Let's just drop the math out of it. Leave it as an exercise for student to run a spice simulation (or hyperlinx if you have it) and see for themselves :) If you want to ask the heavy-weights on this matter, the S

Re: gEDA-user: terminators

2009-04-07 Thread DJ Delorie
I use feed-through wires. Usually I strip down some 22ga stranded speaker wire and use the strands. They fit in 13 mil holes very nicely :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: terminators

2009-04-07 Thread Mark
Hi DJ, loved your CC article and can't wait to see your next one. On Mon April 6 2009 11:36:38 pm DJ Delorie wrote: > > Do you have the other side of your board to route on? Maybe that would > > help. > > I do, but I have to manually solder in every single via. My vias are > small, but not *tha

Re: gEDA-user: DRC-GUI

2009-04-07 Thread Mark
On Sun April 5 2009 05:34:44 pm Peter Clifton wrote: > On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 16:49 -0400, Mark wrote: > > Now I have a working DRC-GUI using master from the repo but it still > > causes PCB to crash when I use the settings for Thin Draw or Thin Draw > > Poly. > > > > Hopefully that will help to nar

Re: gEDA-user: Why are visible attributes in a .sym not visible in my .sch?

2009-04-07 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 15:12 -0600, Miles Gazic wrote: > I have attributes in my symbol files that I mark as "visible". This >makes them visible when editing the .sym file, but NOT when editing >the .sch file. I don't think so. I think if I add visible attributes to a symbol, they are vis

gEDA-user: Why are visible attributes in a .sym not visible in my .sch?

2009-04-07 Thread Miles Gazic
I have attributes in my symbol files that I mark as "visible". This makes them visible when editing the .sym file, but NOT when editing the .sch file. I do not want them "promoted" (which I think will copy the text of them to the contents of my .sch files, when a symbol is inserte

gEDA-user: Odd placement of SOT26 refdes?

2009-04-07 Thread Bill Gatliff
Guys: I just started using the SOT26 footprint, and noticed that the reference designator i.e. "U1" is located directly on top of pin 4 instead of near pin 1. Obviously, I can move the reference designator to anywhere I want :), but I'm just wondering if that's the way things are intended to

Re: gEDA-user: terminators

2009-04-07 Thread Steven Michalske
On Apr 7, 2009, at 10:48 AM, [1]carzr...@optonline.net wrote: - Original Message - From: John Griessen [jg]I think HJ might have meant length of the ramp up or ramp down when he said "edge". I can't see how length of a square wave half cycle translates to

Re: gEDA-user: terminators

2009-04-07 Thread carzrgr8
The simulated annealing or however it's called sometimes > produces awful placements (and I had less than 1% of the chip > used, an XC3S200A-FT256). Floorplanning can help a lot > in these cases. > > Gabriel I would refrain from floorplanning on small designs. Are you using a constraints

Re: gEDA-user: terminators

2009-04-07 Thread carzrgr8
- Original Message - From: John Griessen > [jg]I think HJ might have meant length of the ramp up or ramp > down when he said "edge". > I can't see how length of a square wave half cycle translates > to fractions of wavelengths at some resonance...which is where "1/4 * > 'lengt

Re: gEDA-user: terminators

2009-04-07 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:41:57PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > That could work too. But, honestly, from what I see on your board > > what's the problem besides the stubs? > > If I knew that answer, I wouldn't need to ask all these questions. > > > Oh, and make sure to set the constraints on y

Re: gEDA-user: chipscope vs. rerouting signals to test pads/pins

2009-04-07 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:04:18PM -0500, John Griessen wrote: > Larry Doolittle wrote: > I have > > done it on Debian, but the details are not distribution-specific. > > The biggest hack is bypassing the stoopid shell scripts that > > autodetect architecture and figure out which version to install

Re: gEDA-user: terminators

2009-04-07 Thread John Griessen
gene glick wrote: > Steven Michalske wrote: > > Hey Steven, that's a pretty interesting analysis. I just want to add > something from Dr. Howard Johnson's book on this stuff. His claim is > that you can treat a pcb trace as a lumped system if the trace is less > than 1/4 * 'length of the edge

Re: gEDA-user: terminators

2009-04-07 Thread DJ Delorie
> Before you create another board, could you try using a razor to cut > all the logic analyzer traces right near or at the vias? I haven't made any boards yet - I'm trying to avoid making more than one ;-) I suppose I could make the board and just leave the via wires out, which disconnects the s

gEDA-user: Care to pinseq in slotted symbols

2009-04-07 Thread Stefan Salewski
Yesterday I was pointed by someone to a bug in one of my slotted symbols at gedasymbols -- later I found two more related bugs. It concerns Comp-Quad-LM339_Type-1.sym OpAmp-Dual-1.sym OpAmp-Quad-1.sym Bug should be fixed now, sorry if someone had trouble caused by these symbols. The error resul

Re: gEDA-user: terminators

2009-04-07 Thread gene glick
Tim Hanson wrote: > I've laid out an interface to a 133Mhz SDRAM, and the path lengths > were similar to yours. Works great. No LA connector, though. > Tim > I just looked at the reference design for atmel AT91SAM9260 and it uses similar if not the same memory. Guess what, no clock terminati