Re: gEDA-user: opamp slew rate limiting

2009-11-10 Thread Mark Rages
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Mark Rages wrote: > > Now this is an interesting statement to me.  I thought the whole point > of a Schmitt input was to give the input a little "snap" and therefore > increase the rise/fall times. s/increase/decrease/ -- Mark Rages, Engineer Midwest Telecine LL

Re: gEDA-user: opamp slew rate limiting

2009-11-10 Thread Mark Rages
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:14 AM, gene glick wrote: > Oh, btw, > this opamp used drives a schmitt trigger - sort of a poor mans > comparator.  Same problem though, with the slow edge rate fooling it. > Now this is an interesting statement to me. I thought the whole point of a Schmitt input was to

Re: gEDA-user: opamp slew rate limiting

2009-11-10 Thread gene glick
Martin Maney wrote: > > Nah. You should use a good comparator with controlled hysteresis. An > opamp, any opamp, makes at best a mediocre comparator. Actually, it worked! Not sure why I didn't think of it earlier, but I threw the circuit into simulation to see. By cranking the gain up from

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: window focus bug in GL branch?

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 13:15 -0500, Ethan Swint wrote: > I just did a git fetch & build today from Peter's GL branch - many kudos > again! - but I'm getting a few "features" in my zooming activity. The > first is reproducible by > 1) open PCB layout > 2) Swap application focus > 3) Use Alt+TAB t

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 22:06 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:14:40 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > > > I think it was > > shut down some months ago as announced in this list, and on > > IIRC, it was not shut down but suffered a change of policy. Mere user > mortals like y

Re: gEDA-user: opamp slew rate limiting

2009-11-10 Thread John Doty
On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:58 AM, carzr...@optonline.net wrote: > This particular opamp is opa2132 from TI, and has slew rate of > about 20 V/us. FET input. Makes a difference. An opamp hits its slew rate when its differential *input* stage is driven to its limit. For a bipolar input without em

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread John E. Perry
> I vote to keep it. Besides the educational value, the great postings > about electronics on geda-user are archived and searchable via > Google. That means that folks who are searching on keywords related > to electronics will come across the gEDA project. The high level of > the disucssions o

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: window focus bug in GL branch?

2009-11-10 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:38 -0500, Ethan Swint wrote: > I just did a git fetch & build today from Peter's GL branch - many kudos > again! - but I'm getting a few "features" in my zooming activity. The > first is reproducible by > 1) open PCB layout > 2) Swap application focus > 3) Use Alt+TAB to

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:14:40 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > I think it was > shut down some months ago as announced in this list, and on IIRC, it was not shut down but suffered a change of policy. Mere user mortals like you and me are not allowed to post to the list any more. > www.gpleda.o

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL benchmark revisited

2009-11-10 Thread Ethan Swint
On 11/10/2009 12:08 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > > To update without re-fetching the whole thing, this might / might not > work: > > git fetch > git reset --hard origin/before_pours > > This works fine for me. -Ethan ___ geda-user mailing list geda

Re: gEDA-user: opamp slew rate limiting

2009-11-10 Thread Dave McGuire
On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:31 AM, Andy Fierman wrote: > Using opamps as comparators can be tricky. ...and problematic. Comparators are designed to run in saturation pretty much all the time in open-loop circuits, usually driving some form of logic circuit. They are also designed for fast recov

gEDA-user: gnucap development snapshot 2009-11-10

2009-11-10 Thread al davis
There is a new development snapshot available ... http://gnucap.org/devel/gnucap-2009-11-10.tar.gz Optional plugin files: http://gnucap.org/devel/gnucap-2009-11-10-models-bsim.tar.gz http://gnucap.org/devel/gnucap-2009-11-10-models-jspice3-2.5.tar.gz http://gnucap.org/devel/gnucap-2009-11-10-mod

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread Mark Rages
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:04 PM, John Griessen wrote: >> PS  I enjoy the OT's here.  They're not so far out, really. > >   Me too.. > >         -Dave Me three. Regards, Mark markra...@gmail -- Mark Rages, Engineer Midwest Telecine LLC markra..

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread Dave McGuire
On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:04 PM, John Griessen wrote: > PS I enjoy the OT's here. They're not so far out, really. Me too.. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cg

gEDA-user: PCB: window focus bug in GL branch?

2009-11-10 Thread Ethan Swint
I just did a git fetch & build today from Peter's GL branch - many kudos again! - but I'm getting a few "features" in my zooming activity. The first is reproducible by 1) open PCB layout 2) Swap application focus 3) Use Alt+TAB to return focus to PCB. 4) Use scroll wheel to zoom The menu bars a

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread John Griessen
Dave N6NZ wrote: If > geda-user were split I would probably subscribe to gschem-user, > pcb-user, geda-dev, geda-chat (for general electronics and what not) and > not geda-sim. > > So, maybe split the list, but I wouldn't want to chase any of the > current posters off. That's such a small fr

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread Dave N6NZ
Stuart Brorson wrote: > Hi -- > >> I wonder if there is a better place to ask simple electronics questions >> like OpAmp behaviour? >> >> I think newsgroup sci.electronics.design is not too bad? > [.] >> What do you think? > > Just my $0.02. > > I am always pleased by the high level of e

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread Bill Gatliff
Stuart Brorson wrote: > > I am always pleased by the high level of electronics knowledge > displayed by the folks on this list. The contributions are very > interesting and educational. > Agreed. I'm both pleased and very, very grateful. > I vote to keep it. Besides the educational value, t

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread Stuart Brorson
Hi -- > I wonder if there is a better place to ask simple electronics questions > like OpAmp behaviour? > > I think newsgroup sci.electronics.design is not too bad? [.] > What do you think? Just my $0.02. I am always pleased by the high level of electronics knowledge displayed by the fol

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:56 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > PS.. I found what was causing your assert failure. The gory details were > only sent to geda-dev, but I can copy you if you want. Great! I can read it in the archives with my web-browser. I noticed some days ago that geda-dev is active ag

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread DJ Delorie
*If* you have usenet access: sci.electronics.basic sci.electronics.design There's also: Electronics_101 at Yahoo! Groups But traditionally the "regulars" here (geda-user) occasionally ask design questions, as well as on #geda. Nobody seems to mind as long as it doesn't get out of hand.

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL benchmark revisited

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 10:17 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote: > Peter Clifton writes: > > >> Thank you for coding! > > > > Thanks for the feedback - it is the fact that I know others are using > > the code which keeps me improving it beyond what I needed last time I > > was designing PCBs. > > Cur

Re: gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 17:26 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > I wonder if there is a better place to ask simple electronics questions > like OpAmp behaviour? > > I think newsgroup sci.electronics.design is not too bad? > > For this list we already have much traffic -- user questions and some > deve

gEDA-user: Purpose of this list

2009-11-10 Thread Stefan Salewski
I wonder if there is a better place to ask simple electronics questions like OpAmp behaviour? I think newsgroup sci.electronics.design is not too bad? For this list we already have much traffic -- user questions and some developer discussion. My personal view is, that it is fine to see the talk a

Re: gEDA-user: opamp slew rate limiting

2009-11-10 Thread Martin Maney
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 06:08:41AM -0500, gene glick wrote: > SR definition is SR = 2 * pi * f * Vpk Nope. That's the maximum *signal* rate of change for a sinewave. I think you know that, but since there seems to be a lot of vague misunderstanding about slew rate in this thread... > So I need

Re: gEDA-user: opamp slew rate limiting

2009-11-10 Thread Andy Fierman
For the opa2132, it's not clear what the slew rate would do as it comes out of saturation but it may well only really add some delay rather than reduce the slew rate. Using opamps as comparators can be tricky. Alan's suggestion of using something from the LM339 / LM2907 / LM3302 comparator family

Re: gEDA-user: opamp slew rate limiting

2009-11-10 Thread gene glick
The gain is set at -10. The prior stage has gain, and off-hand I don't recall how large the signal is, I'll check. GBW for the part is 8MHz, I run it at 5kHz*10= 50 kHz GBW - plenty of headroom there. SR definition is SR = 2 * pi * f * Vpk So I need SR > 6.28 * 5000 cycles/sec * 15 Volts, or 4

Re: gEDA-user: opamp slew rate limiting

2009-11-10 Thread Andy Fierman
Hi Gene, Some more things to think about as sanity checks. Following on from Peter's question, what is the gain of your amplifier (including any effects of the source resistance if it's an inverting amplifier configuration)? You say that "The gain is sufficiently large that the opamp is driven i

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL benchmark revisited

2009-11-10 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Peter Clifton writes: >> Thank you for coding! > > Thanks for the feedback - it is the fact that I know others are using > the code which keeps me improving it beyond what I needed last time I > was designing PCBs. Currently I do not do any layout work, but I'd like to try the new GL and 3D work