Re: gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread John Doty
On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:23 PM, John Doty wrote: > > On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Mark Rages wrote: > >> Would it be possible to define some defaults (no pinseq, default to >> pinnumber) to avoid cluttering up the symbol files in the common >> case? >> We could even use the asciibetical sorted pinn

Re: gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread John Doty
On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Mark Rages wrote: > Would it be possible to define some defaults (no pinseq, default to > pinnumber) to avoid cluttering up the symbol files in the common case? > We could even use the asciibetical sorted pinnumber values and get a > reasonable sequence for BGA-type n

Re: gEDA-user: ExecuteFile(bob.cmd) question

2010-01-07 Thread DJ Delorie
I don't know, and no. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

gEDA-user: ExecuteFile(bob.cmd) question

2010-01-07 Thread gene glick
Why does this take so long to complete in PCB2008 and 2009 version, but is a snap in the git head version? Also, is it really necessary? gene ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-u

Re: gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread Mark Rages
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:01 PM, John Doty wrote: > > On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:02 PM, phil wrote: > >> So really the pinseq is the pin number ... and pinnumber is just an >> alternate pinlabel, a qualitative UI attribute. > > In most flows, pinnumber must match the pin number on the footprint > the lay

Re: gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread John Doty
On Jan 7, 2010, at 6:56 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Pinnumber is what PCB uses for numbering pins, PCB never sees pinseq. If you're not going to make SPICE or Vipec netlists and you're not using slotting, you can safely omit pinseq attributes. And if you are going to make SPICE or Vipec netlis

Re: gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread John Doty
On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:02 PM, phil wrote: > So really the pinseq is the pin number ... and pinnumber is just an > alternate pinlabel, a qualitative UI attribute. In most flows, pinnumber must match the pin number on the footprint the layout program uses. But some parts (commonly connectors) don'

Re: gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread DJ Delorie
Pinnumber is what PCB uses for numbering pins, PCB never sees pinseq. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread phil
So really the pinseq is the pin number ... and pinnumber is just an alternate pinlabel, a qualitative UI attribute. Is pinnumber the human appendix of geda? Or does it fulfill some role that pinseq and pinlabel cannot? I am probably confused here, but if I'm not ... maybe we should g

Re: gEDA-user: Symbol attribute text sizes ...

2010-01-07 Thread John Doty
On Jan 7, 2010, at 6:36 PM, phil wrote: > > If one follows the published best practices Don't worry too much about those. gEDA is flexible: use the flexibility. Make *your* symbols match *your* needs. > for adding attributes and > their corresponding text sizes, the low-level symbol with all

Re: gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread John Doty
On Jan 7, 2010, at 6:16 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Does slotting use pinseq or pinnum? "The #‘s have a one-to-one correspondence to the pinseq attributes" http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:master_attributes_list Can't really use pinnumber: it might not even be numeric! John Doty

gEDA-user: Symbol attribute text sizes ...

2010-01-07 Thread phil
If one follows the published best practices for adding attributes and their corresponding text sizes, the low-level symbol with all text visible becomes truly illegible. Is there any reason why I can't make non-visble text/attributes a small text size (5 or 6 pt). My aim is to have attributes

Re: gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread DJ Delorie
Does slotting use pinseq or pinnum? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread John Doty
On Jan 7, 2010, at 6:02 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > For simulation, pinseq maps the pins to the model's pins, but > otherwise, it's just a sort key. It also identifies the pins for the slotting mechanism. Something like a 2 input, 1 output gate will have pinseq values of 1, 2, and 3, with the pi

Re: gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread DJ Delorie
Consider a 3x3 BGA chip: pinseq pinnumpinlabel 1A1Vdd 2A2ENA 3A3SCLK 4B1SDI 5B2SDO 6B3ENB 7C1D0 8C2D1 9C3Vss For simulation, pinseq maps the pins

gEDA-user: taking issue with Symbol creation

2010-01-07 Thread phil
Our wiki states: "All pins should have a pair of attributes attached to them: pinseq=# and pinnumber=#. The first attribute, pinseq=# is just a sequence number and increments sequentially starting at 1. The second attribute pinnumber=# is the number of the pin. When a symbol is netlisted, the

Re: gEDA-user: teardrop compiling installation

2010-01-07 Thread vinny
> From: Tim Golden > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: teardrop compiling installation, > On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 18:50 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 12:12 -0500, vinny wrote: > > > > Do you really need these teardrops? > > > > If you do not know much about Unix like operating sy