Re: gEDA-user: im new, soy nuevo

2010-04-16 Thread Adrian Pardini
On 16/04/2010, Luis Palombo electronicaeuge...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all!, my english is not good... I live in Argentina and use gEDA from one year ago. I wanna know if there are somebody on this list that speak spanish. Excuse me if i am speaking wrongly, and you can teach me or

Re: gEDA-user: input/output ports gschem

2010-04-16 Thread Armin Faltl
Hi, I'm new in this group but here because I seek help to fight bugs. To implement a feature, that has to be understood by several converters and ev. pcb is by no means simple. In particular the effort to save someone typing :1 by creating a special case is much better spent for getting the

Re: gEDA-user: im new, soy nuevo

2010-04-16 Thread Miguel Sánchez de León Peque
Hi Luis, I live in Spain, so we wont have problems with the language ;-). The only thing I suggest you is to write us personal emails instead of using geda-user list if you write in spanish :-) ---

Re: gEDA-user: input/output ports gschem

2010-04-16 Thread Armin Faltl
Please keep that patch for you. Without proper QA I do not want to see it and by no means in the main distribution - you may send it to Luis Palo in person of course. Best Regards, Armin Faltl Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: Hi, Well I just modified s_netattrib.c in gnetlist to do

Re: gEDA-user: input/output ports gschem

2010-04-16 Thread Armin Faltl
Hi, I'm new in this group but here because I seek help to fight bugs. To implement a feature, that has to be understood by several converters and ev. pcb is by no means simple. In particular the effort to save someone typing :1 by creating a special case is much better spent for getting the

Re: gEDA-user: Audio processing

2010-04-16 Thread Miguel Sánchez de León Peque
Thanks for your feedback :-) First of all, sorry for using this list. I know is a bit out of topic, but I thought you could know something about it ;-). I'll post this question where you Eric and Adrian have suggested. Thanks for your response, asomers, but that is not what I want

Re: gEDA-user: im new, soy nuevo

2010-04-16 Thread Dylan Smith
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:01:41AM -0300, Luis Palombo wrote: Hello all!, my english is not good... I live in Argentina and use gEDA from one year ago. I wanna know if there are somebody on this list that speak spanish. Si, hablo español. Aunque no soy experto en gEDA he usado para

gEDA-user: pcb (+openGL) crashes

2010-04-16 Thread kai-martin knaak
Hi. When working with the current development branch of Peter Clifton (before_pours), I get crashes with random actions after a few minutes. Sometimes, it happens on ratsnest redraw, sometimes on scroll, or when I draw a line. A window pops up and offers to save a crash log with a backtrace. I

Re: gEDA-user: un-tented vias and solder mask

2010-04-16 Thread Richard de Rivaz
Hi I have a similar problem. I am using pcb v20080202-2 on Ubuntu and have found that certain pads do not appear in the solder mask when exported as Gerber files. I wonder if anyone else has come across this problem and any way of forcing all pads to be included. Regards Richard

Re: gEDA-user: un-tented vias and solder mask

2010-04-16 Thread timecop
Thats funny, i'd rather HAVE my vias covered with solder mask. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Richard de Rivaz rich...@mdr.co.uk wrote:   Hi   I have a similar problem. I am using pcb v20080202-2 on Ubuntu and have   found that certain pads do not appear in the solder mask when exported  

Re: gEDA-user: un-tented vias and solder mask

2010-04-16 Thread gene glick
timecop wrote: Thats funny, i'd rather HAVE my vias covered with solder mask. Me too, but there's merit to both ways. I work with a guy who made all the vias visible, but placed them so badly that stuff shorted to them all the time - like a metal can from a crystal, *bad*. I had him just

Re: gEDA-user: input/output ports gschem

2010-04-16 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:36:30 +0200, Armin Faltl wrote: Please keep that patch for you. Without proper QA I do not want to see it and by no means in the main distribution Well, posting a patch to the list is far from application to the distributed source. See my recent rant ... - you may

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:23:08 -0500, John Griessen wrote: Here is something you might like -- I fixed this up the other day: http://cottagematic.com/examples/ It's a project skeleton, (plus contents), that lets you access the symbol and footprint libraries contained in it without changing

Re: gEDA-user: im new, soy nuevo

2010-04-16 Thread Miguel Sánchez de León Peque
2010/4/16 Ethan Swint [1]eswint.r...@verizon.net On 04/16/2010 04:42 AM, Miguel Sánchez de León Peque wrote: Hi Luis, I live in Spain, so we wont have problems with the language ;-). The only thing I suggest you is to write us personal emails instead of

Re: gEDA-user: un-tented vias

2010-04-16 Thread Duncan Drennan
I like to have my vias non tented. That is, little holes in the solder mask, so that some bare metal is exposed. This comes handy for debugging. Is it possible to configure pcb so that vias are exposed by default? You can select the mask layer and press 'k' the appropriate number of times

Re: gEDA-user: input/output ports gschem

2010-04-16 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 14:25 -0600, John Doty wrote: So the question(suggested by DJ) is: How are these input/output graphical ports supposed to work? Are they merely graphic things, or does that net attribute have a special/useful function? They are for hierarchy, not for making

gEDA-user: PCB+GL crashes (workaround)

2010-04-16 Thread Peter Clifton
Hi guys, I've had a few reports of crashing due to the tool-tip code in the PCB +GL branch. As a workaround for now, apply this bandaid in src/hid/gtk/gui-output-events.c: diff --git a/src/hid/gtk/gui-output-events.c b/src/hid/gtk/gui-output-events.c index 4922cb4..346a6db 100644 ---

Re: gEDA-user: input/output ports gschem

2010-04-16 Thread John Doty
On Apr 16, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Stefan Salewski wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 14:25 -0600, John Doty wrote: So the question(suggested by DJ) is: How are these input/output graphical ports supposed to work? Are they merely graphic things, or does that net attribute have a special/useful

Re: gEDA-user: input/output ports gschem PATCH

2010-04-16 Thread Felipe De la Puente Christen
Hi, here's the patch. Please consider that I'm not so familiar with gEDA and didn't find a way to check if the symbol has only one pin(yet). What I do is basicaly attach the :1 string to the net=NETNAME attribute so the system works well downstream. The error message is still present but the

Re: gEDA-user: un-tented vias

2010-04-16 Thread DJ Delorie
You could modify the sources to do that, but there's no runtime option to do so. You could do this: Enable soldermask layer Select All :ChangeClearSize(SelectedVias,=1,mil) :MinMaskGap(SelectedVias,=3,mil) Or write a quick plug-in to do it :-) ___

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread Mike Bushroe
No, that's not what I'm talking about. Footprints depend on the layout tool: gschem is properly agnostic about what layout tool you're using. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. [1]http://www.noqsi.com/ [2]...@noqsi.com So that means the shortcoming is

Re: gEDA-user: Refreshing symbol libraries ?

2010-04-16 Thread Girvin R. Herr
Amond, I had this problem too, until I found the refresh icon: Add - component In the Select Component... window, click on the circular arrows icon to the right of the Filter box. That should refresh the listing without restarting gschem. Still using gschem 1.4.0.20080127. I sure hope they

Re: gEDA-user: un-tented vias and solder mask

2010-04-16 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:16:53 -0400, gene glick wrote: For me, if I need to solder to a via, it's easy to scrape the soldermask off with an exacto. Minimum sized vias are hard to solder (12 mil hole, 28 mil annular ring). But you can push a patch wire through a non-tented via.

Re: gEDA-user: un-tented vias

2010-04-16 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:55:06 +0200, Duncan Drennan wrote: You can select the mask layer and press 'k' the appropriate number of times until the mask clears the via. I know. I wrote the corresponding pcb-tip in the wiki:

Re: gEDA-user: un-tented vias

2010-04-16 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:34:29 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: You could modify the sources to do that, but there's no runtime option to do so. Where would the setting be located in the source? You could do this: Enable soldermask layer Select All :ChangeClearSize(SelectedVias,=1,mil)

Re: gEDA-user: un-tented vias

2010-04-16 Thread DJ Delorie
Where would the setting be located in the source? There are two calls to CreateNewVia() in src/action.c, both pass 0 for clearance. Change those. Hmm. Quite a hassle when typed into the GUI. It might be a job for a non interactive action script, though. Edit gpcb-menu.res to map those

Re: gEDA-user: input/output ports gschem

2010-04-16 Thread Jim Lynch
Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: Hi, I did a design using input, output, and io ports based on the input-2.sym available in the library. I thought that the net attribute would make the net between the component's pin and the port to be named the same as the port's net attribute, but I

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread John Doty
On Apr 16, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Mike Bushroe wrote: No, that's not what I'm talking about. Footprints depend on the layout tool: gschem is properly agnostic about what layout tool you're using. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. [1]http://www.noqsi.com/

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread DJ Delorie
Perhaps the shortcoming is in your expectations. I think that (1) our tools are mature enough that users should expect *some* sort of seamless integration and co-operation between them, and (2) we're mature enough to not have to insult our users when our software acts in an unexpected way.

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread John Doty
On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:16 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Please stop trying to push your personal flow onto others :-) Which one? John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread John Doty
On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:16 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Flexibility and ease of use should not preclude each other. But they generally do. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread Armin Faltl
The two projects are able to work together *because* they were intentionally designed with clean interfaces, Irrelevent. Having clean interfaces doesn't preclude using those interfaces in a seamless manner, giving the impression of integration. While I'm fully ok with a script doing

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread John Doty
On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:16 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Hence the Terminology chaper in the Getting Started guide, which defines what PCB means by footprint: ``A footprint is the pattern on a circuit board to which your parts are attached. This includes all copper, silk, solder mask, and paste

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread Armin Faltl
Flexibility and ease of use should not preclude each other. But they generally do. On the commandline options are for flexibility, defaults are for ease of use ;-) Did anyone try my schematic posted in http://www.seul.org/pipermail/geda-user/2010-April/046716.html - is the

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread Windell H. Oskay
The two projects are able to work together *because* they were intentionally designed with clean interfaces, and no unnecessary entanglements. You propose to throw away the very virtue that made the partnership possible in the first place. Some of us want to keep the tools open to other

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread DJ Delorie
between footprints and its instances on a board and am able to think of things like SQL-databases providing a clear, yet flexible mapping between Perhaps this idea of mine is relevent? http://www.delorie.com/pcb/component-dbs.html ___ geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread John Griessen
Phil Frost wrote: As Linux filesystem developer and convicted wife murderer Hans Rieser wrote: The expressive power of an operating system is NOT proportional to the number of components, but instead is proportional to the number of possible connections between its components. I want to make

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread kai-martin knaak
John Doty wrote: Please stop trying to push your personal flow onto others :-) Which one? your makefile approach. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-16 Thread Matthew Wilkins
It seems like there is room to add a footprint selector utility that would interface between gschem/gattrib and PCB without impacting non-PCB users in any way. In fact if PCB had an HID where it just starts up as a footprint browser and nothing else, you could use PCB itself