gEDA-user: Color silk layers in pcb

2010-09-03 Thread Pawel Kusmierski
Dear fellow GEDA-users, Can I get pcb to either treat a layer other than the default silk as non-metal (so it would not short pads and mess up nets), or draw different silk layers as separate objects, in different colors? My problem is following: I have a case consisting of

Re: gEDA-user: Color silk layers in pcb

2010-09-03 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Fri, 2010-09-03 at 11:53 +0200, Pawel Kusmierski wrote: Dear fellow GEDA-users, Can I get pcb to either treat a layer other than the default silk as non-metal (so it would not short pads and mess up nets), Please note, your SUBJECT may be misleading... No, currently we have only

Re: gEDA-user: Color silk layers in pcb

2010-09-03 Thread Pawel Kusmierski
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: On Fri, 2010-09-03 at 11:53 +0200, Pawel Kusmierski wrote: Dear fellow GEDA-users,    Can I get pcb to either treat a layer other than the default silk as    non-metal    (so it would not short pads and mess up

Re: gEDA-user: Color silk layers in pcb

2010-09-03 Thread Rick Collins
I can't answer your question, but I have one of my own. I use FreePCB and have requested, along with others, that we be able to designate layers as documentation such as assembly info, mechanical details, etc. Is that what you are looking for or do you want these layers to be usable to

gEDA-user: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3:

2010-09-03 Thread Kipton Moravec
I upgraded my Ubuntu 08.04 to 10.04 and now gschem will not work. k...@red:/home/backup/Work/BuddiPole/Schematic/condisp $ gschem condisp-*.sch gschem: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I checked Synaptic Package manager

Re: gEDA-user: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3:

2010-09-03 Thread Karl Hammar
k...@kdream.com: k...@red:/home/backup/Work/BuddiPole/Schematic/condisp $ gschem condisp-*.sch gschem: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ... So do I have to reinstall the whole gEDA system? You could try to find the

Re: gEDA-user: Color silk layers in pcb

2010-09-03 Thread Pawel Kusmierski
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote: I can't answer your question, but I have one of my own.  I use FreePCB and have requested, along with others, that we be able to designate layers as documentation such as assembly info, mechanical details, etc.  Is that

Re: gEDA-user: Color silk layers in pcb

2010-09-03 Thread Rick Collins
No, FreePCB is a separate project with no links in any way. I have used it for a couple of projects and like it pretty well, but it is hard to get changes made. The developer was on a hiatus for some time, but is back now. He has a long list of bug fixes and suggestions people would like to

Re: gEDA-user: Icarus verilog Synthesis

2010-09-03 Thread Stephen Williams
What are you trying to do? Are you really trying to synthesize your Verilog design, meaning you are trying to generate a bit stream to load into your FPGA? Or are you trying to compile and simulate your Verilog? Icarus Verilog is mostly a *simulator*, not a synthesizer. There were some synthesis

Re: gEDA-user: Color silk layers in pcb

2010-09-03 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 06:40:05PM +0200, Pawel Kusmierski wrote: Is anybody willing to elaborate on how difficult would it be to modify the pcb source code to color-differentiate three or four silk layers and be able to selectively hide/show them? It will probably be more work than it

gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread Andrew Poelstra
Hey all, I am working on the structuring PCB files in terms of functional blocks, and generalizing/extending the DRC rule format. (Things have slowed down as summer is ending but I am still working on this.) Mostly I am doing GUI work, since that is more-or-less stateless; I can spend 20

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread John Griessen
Andrew Poelstra wrote: However, this also brings the ability to edit PCB components individually, which means that some parts could have different layers than others, for example. And then you have to deal with layer mappings and stuff and it's a huge complicated mess, both for the

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread DJ Delorie
Re: functional blocks If we contemplate changing the PCB file format, it would be nice if we went with something that was intrinsically extensible. Knowing that the 5th element in a list with '[' means clearance is a bad format, but seeing clearance=5mil in a list of attributes is much better.

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: If you'd rather work on the GUI, though, that's also a needed project. It would be nice if the GTK gui supported all the modern Gnome stuff, like dockable toolbars and menus-with-icons. The SOW has an entry for that also. What level of self proving would Andrew need to do

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread Rick Collins
XML? What's wrong with XML? Heavy? How heavy are a few electrons anyway? There is already a preliminary XML based CAD data spec proposed by IPC, you know, the guys who write specs for the PCB assembly industry... I don't know if it is the best thing ever invented and I expect the spec is

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 11:00:43PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Re: functional blocks If we contemplate changing the PCB file format, it would be nice if we went with something that was intrinsically extensible. Knowing that the 5th element in a list with '[' means clearance is a bad format,

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 11:29:58PM -0400, Rick Collins wrote: XML? What's wrong with XML? Heavy? How heavy are a few electrons anyway? For most data, XML ends up being 50% tags (and 50% data). It's hard to read for humans, bandwidth-intensive for machines, difficult to parse and generally

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 04:44:14PM -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: However, this also brings the ability to edit PCB components individually, which means that some parts could have different layers than others, for example. And then you have to deal with layer mappings and stuff and

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread timecop
Given the choice between lisp (lol) and xml, the winner is absolutely clear. There are even less lisp users than there are Linux users, and that's a sad statistic. -tc On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote: At 12:11 AM 9/4/2010, you wrote: On Fri, Sep 03,

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread DJ Delorie
If we tagged individual objects with rules it would be difficult to edit rules in a systemetic way. So I don't think that's a good way to go. No, we tag objects with rule *names*. Hopefully rules can nest, so you can have meta-rules like signal-line-rule or 12vac rule. Without a tag, you'd

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread DJ Delorie
1. Refuse to export-as-footprints any PCB with more than one copper layer. This will likely eliminate the most common problems. Edge connectors. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Functional blocks and PCB format changes

2010-09-03 Thread DJ Delorie
The heavy issue is a red herring The heavy issue impacts the difficulty in using XML as a toolkit. But I suppose it is better to re-invent the wheel. There is no reason to try to foster any sort of compatibility in file formats between all the different CAD tools. That's a real red