gEDA-user: Autorouter - distance to pins

2011-01-05 Thread Cam Farnell
Is there a way to set the minimum distance that the autorouter leaves between tracks and pins? I've looked in the manual, tried setting DRC Minimum copper spacing, tried enabling Settings-Enforce DRC clearances but the autorouter still runs tracks closer to pins than I would like. Any

gEDA-user: [PATCH] gsch2pcb: Add `outline' layer to default PCB template.

2011-01-05 Thread Peter TB Brett
Hi Kai-Martin, Could you please test this patch and see if it does what you had in mind? Thanks, Peter -- Peter Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk Remote Sensing Research Group Surrey Space Centre From 69c00410599bbd1580e2c353553c4d63a99f0f3d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From:

Re: gEDA-user: [Patches] GTK Recent-file-manager

2011-01-05 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 16:22 -0800, Matthew Wilkins wrote: [snip] I have added a combo box to the name column, so you you can choose attribute names there from the same list as in the Add Attribute portion of the dialog. [snip] While I was at it, I added a help button to the dialog,

Re: gEDA-user: Wiki cleanup?

2011-01-05 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Mark Rages Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:03 AM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Wiki cleanup? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:06 PM, DJ Delorie

Re: gEDA-user: multiple attributes (was: [Patches] GTK Recent-file-manager)

2011-01-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Matthew Wilkins wrote: Hm, Peter C is right that this complicates things a lot. Well, you asked for potential use cases. Not all conceivable uses may warrant the effort to code. In addition, there may be better ways to achieve the same goal. Symbols in gschem are a bit overloaded. The data

Re: gEDA-user: Symbol question – suggestions?

2011-01-05 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
Den 2011-01-04 21:47:59 skrev Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de: On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 21:14 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: comment=Use 74_pwr.sym for supply I wrote it some months ago... A single 74_pwr.sym can not work for 14 and 16 pin parts, so I really recommend to do not use a

Re: gEDA-user: Symbol question – suggestions?

2011-01-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Maybe this is in the wiki somewhere and I just missed it, but what are the possible text strings for pintype? http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:master_attributes_list?s[]=pintype#pintype So far I've seen in, out, oc, pas. Are there more? Do the gEDA software use them

Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH] gsch2pcb: Add `outline' layer to default PCB template.

2011-01-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Peter TB Brett wrote: Could you please test this patch and see if it does what you had in mind? Surprise: Layer 3 was already defined as outline layer defined in gaf-head. With your patch I got two such layers ;-) While at it, I note, that the first two layers are still component and

Re: gEDA-user: multiple attributes

2011-01-05 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Matthew Wilkins matthew_m_wilk...@yahoo.ca writes: There _is_ a meaning to the order if a netlister expects only one attribute, but the symbol has several of the same name. In that case, the netlister could find either the first attribute of that name or the last, depending on how the

Re: gEDA-user: Symbol question – suggestions?

2011-01-05 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 14:32 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: A single 74_pwr.sym can not work for 14 and 16 pin parts, so I really recommend to do not use a 74_pwr.sym at all, but one for 14, and one for 16 pins devices. I think I called my one at gedasymbols 74xx-14N-Pwr-1.sym. But the

Re: gEDA-user: multiple attributes

2011-01-05 Thread John Doty
On Jan 5, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: Matthew Wilkins matthew_m_wilk...@yahoo.ca writes: There _is_ a meaning to the order if a netlister expects only one attribute, but the symbol has several of the same name. In that case, the netlister could find either the first

Re: gEDA-user: Wiki cleanup?

2011-01-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Bert Timmerman wrote: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljh4timm/gaf/dox.html IMHO, this resource should be linked to in a prominent way on gpleda. Currently, there is just a link hidden in the section Doxygen Comments and Styles of the devel-tips

Re: gEDA-user: Symbol question - suggestions?

2011-01-05 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Salewski Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:23 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Symbol question - suggestions? On Wed, 2011-01-05 at

Re: gEDA-user: Wiki cleanup?

2011-01-05 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Kai-Martin , -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Kai-Martin Knaak Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:30 PM To: geda-u...@seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Wiki cleanup? Bert Timmerman wrote:

Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 1/2] gnetlist: Add access to all attributes from components with multiple symbol instances.

2011-01-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Peter TB Brett wrote: Well, no, because you will now get a BIG FAT WARNING every time you run gnetlist. You mean, I will receive this big fat warning for every symbol I attach more than one comment to? ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel:

Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 1/2] gnetlist: Add access to all attributes from components with multiple symbol instances.

2011-01-05 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Wednesday 05 January 2011 16:32:48 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Peter TB Brett wrote: Well, no, because you will now get a BIG FAT WARNING every time you run gnetlist. You mean, I will receive this big fat warning for every symbol I attach more than one comment to? Why not try it and find

Re: gEDA-user: series of gnetlist backend patches

2011-01-05 Thread al davis
On Monday 03 January 2011, Dan White wrote: The Analog Rails tweaks to gnucap make parallel simulations with hspice feasible from a common *.sch set. Their repo is at http://redmine.gnucapplus.org/ I could use some help with gnucap development. I have asked Analog Rails to officially

Re: gEDA-user: multiple attributes

2011-01-05 Thread Matthew Wilkins
I'd prefer a spice-prototype attribute, which would allow us to avoid many of the difficulties without a confusing proliferation of attributes. For the symbol nmos-3.sym, a suitable prototype might be: M? #D #G #S #S $model-name L= W= AS= AD= PS= PD= M= Yes, if we're willing to reinvent

Re: gEDA-user: multiple attributes

2011-01-05 Thread Stephan Boettcher
John Doty j...@noqsi.com writes: I'd prefer a spice-prototype attribute, which would allow us to avoid many of the difficulties without a confusing proliferation of attributes. For the symbol nmos-3.sym, a suitable prototype might be: M? #D #G #S #S $model-name L= W= AS= AD= PS= PD= M=

Re: gEDA-user: Symbol question – suggestions?

2011-01-05 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
Den 2011-01-05 16:17:57 skrev Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se: Johnny Rosenberg: Maybe this is in the wiki somewhere and I just missed it, but what are the possible text strings for pintype? Since it is just a text field there is no limitation for what you could type in there. So far I've

Re: gEDA-user: Symbol question – suggestions?

2011-01-05 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
Den 2011-01-05 17:22:39 skrev Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 14:32 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: A single 74_pwr.sym can not work for 14 and 16 pin parts, so I really recommend to do not use a 74_pwr.sym at all, but one for 14, and one for 16 pins devices. I

Re: gEDA-user: Symbol question – suggestions?

2011-01-05 Thread John Doty
On Jan 5, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: So the bottom line is that I should keep to those above and don't make my own… Only if drc2 (which is a severely troubled tool) rule your flow. If your flow needs something different, and you're willing to do the scripting to make a

Re: gEDA-user: multiple attributes

2011-01-05 Thread John Doty
On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: John Doty j...@noqsi.com writes: I'd prefer a spice-prototype attribute, which would allow us to avoid many of the difficulties without a confusing proliferation of attributes. For the symbol nmos-3.sym, a suitable prototype might be:

Re: gEDA-user: multiple attributes

2011-01-05 Thread John Doty
On Jan 5, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: John Doty j...@noqsi.com writes: On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: Is this too verbose? M? #{pinlabel=D} #{pinlabel=G} #{pinlabel=S} #{pinlabel=S} ${model-name} L={length} W={width} AS= AD= PS= PD= M= Yes,

Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 1/2] gnetlist: Add access to all attributes from components with multiple symbol instances.

2011-01-05 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Wednesday 05 January 2011 17:49:50 John Doty wrote: WARNING: Trying to rename something twice: X2/GND and X2/GND are both a src and dest name This warning is okay if you have multiple levels of hierarchy! I've never known this warning to actually indicate a problem with a design.

gEDA-user: prohibited areas on data sheet?

2011-01-05 Thread Frank
I'm creating a footprint according to the datasheet, and it has 3 different prohibited areas on the footprint. I'm not sure of the exact meaning of these areas. Can someone explain? 1) Prohibited Area 2) Pattern Prohibition Area 2) Solder Prohibition Area

Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 1/2] gnetlist: Add access to all attributes from components with multiple symbol instances.

2011-01-05 Thread John Doty
On Jan 5, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: On Wednesday 05 January 2011 17:49:50 John Doty wrote: WARNING: Trying to rename something twice: X2/GND and X2/GND are both a src and dest name This warning is okay if you have multiple levels of hierarchy! I've never known this

Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 1/2] gnetlist: Add access to all attributes from components with multiple symbol instances.

2011-01-05 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Wednesday 05 January 2011 18:38:04 John Doty wrote: They're not especially bad. In that project make clean; make generates 2074 lines of chatter, only about 1/3 of them from gschem and gnetlist. The worst offender is pdflatex. You can see how a warning could easily be lost. That

Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH 1/2] gnetlist: Add access to all attributes from components with multiple symbol instances.

2011-01-05 Thread John Doty
On Jan 5, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: On Wednesday 05 January 2011 18:38:04 John Doty wrote: They're not especially bad. In that project make clean; make generates 2074 lines of chatter, only about 1/3 of them from gschem and gnetlist. The worst offender is pdflatex. You

Re: gEDA-user: How to make a foot print

2011-01-05 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:00:24 -0800 Colin D Bennett co...@gibibit.com wrote: [...] Actually, I am impressed with the flexibility of your footgen.py script. It looks like you've created many different types of footprints using it. I think we miss-understood each other. Or let me say I

Re: gEDA-user: PCB bug: invisibly select pads from deactivated far side

2011-01-05 Thread DJ Delorie
DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com writes: I had that problem with silk. I've not seen it for pads. Fixed in git head, not including any subtleties with elements with pads on both sides. I did the obvious thing for those, anyone who *has* one of those (edge connectors?) can complain if it doesn't do

Re: gEDA-user: multiple attributes

2011-01-05 Thread Bas Gieltjes
And that is the way forward for the problematic overloading we have right now, e.g., the pinseq attribute: The spice netlist shall learn to use a (spice-)port-order attribute, or however that shall be named, and fall back to pinseq, with an obsolescence warning.

Re: gEDA-user: PCB bug: invisibly select pads from deactivated far side

2011-01-05 Thread DJ Delorie
The operation is select. PCB doens't know *why* you're selecting, it's just selecting everything in a region. If you select the *element* should it select the *whole* element, or just part of the element? ___ geda-user mailing list

gEDA-user: Conflicting attributes (was: [PATCH 1/2] gnetlist: Add access to all attributes ...)

2011-01-05 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Wednesday 05 January 2011 19:04:37 John Doty wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: On Wednesday 05 January 2011 18:38:04 John Doty wrote: They're not especially bad. In that project make clean; make generates 2074 lines of chatter, only about 1/3 of them from gschem

Re: gEDA-user: PCB bug: invisibly select pads from deactivated far side

2011-01-05 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 11:05:06PM +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote: DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com writes: If an element is on the front side, but has pads on both sides, and the back side is hidden, when you select the element, should the hidden pads be selected too? No. Not for

Re: gEDA-user: PCB bug: invisibly select pads from deactivated far side

2011-01-05 Thread DJ Delorie
I didn't change the de-selection logic; invisible stuff is still de-selected when you're selecting a new region. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: PCB bug: invisibly select pads from deactivated far side

2011-01-05 Thread Stephan Boettcher
DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com writes: The operation is select. PCB doens't know *why* you're selecting, it's just selecting everything in a region. If you select the *element* should it select the *whole* element, or just part of the element? It is possible to make parts of an element

Re: gEDA-user: Wiki cleanup?

2011-01-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Bert Timmerman wrote: Would it be possible to provide the pages on gpleda.org itself? That can be done, it's just a couple of MB to upload. Question to the maintainers of gpleda.org(*): Would it be possible to give upload permissions to Bert? ---)kaimartin(--- (*) Anyone else beyond Ales?

Re: gEDA-user: Wiki cleanup?

2011-01-05 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Kai-Martin, maintainers and all, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Kai-Martin Knaak Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 12:25 AM To: geda-u...@seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Wiki cleanup? Bert

Re: gEDA-user: Conflicting attributes (was: [PATCH 1/2] gnetlist: Add access to all attributes ...)

2011-01-05 Thread John Doty
On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote: On Wednesday 05 January 2011 19:04:37 John Doty wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: On Wednesday 05 January 2011 18:38:04 John Doty wrote: They're not especially bad. In that project make clean; make generates 2074

Re: gEDA-user: Wiki cleanup?

2011-01-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Bert Timmerman wrote: I will see if I can create a wiki like format and paste that into the doxygen output as to mimick the current style of the webpages on gpleda.org. Hmm, I think, the current style of the web pages are less than optimum. Dokuwiki can definitely look and feel better. The

Re: gEDA-user: prohibited areas on data sheet?

2011-01-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Frank wrote: I'm creating a footprint according to the datasheet, and it has 3 different prohibited areas on the footprint. I'm not sure of the exact meaning of these areas. Can someone explain? Can you give a link to the data sheet? ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email:

Re: gEDA-user: prohibited areas on data sheet?

2011-01-05 Thread Frank
On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Frank wrote: I'm creating a footprint according to the datasheet, and it has 3 different prohibited areas on the footprint. I'm not sure of the exact meaning of these areas. Can someone explain? Can you give a link to the data sheet?

Re: gEDA-user: prohibited areas on data sheet?

2011-01-05 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 01:51:27 +0100 Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: Frank wrote: I'm creating a footprint according to the datasheet, and it has 3 different prohibited areas on the footprint. I'm not sure of the exact meaning of these areas. Can someone explain? Generally this