Re: gEDA-user: new gschem does look great!!

2011-05-13 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 13 May 2011 17:43:07 -0700 Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Sat, 14 May 2011 00:15:26 +0100 > Peter Clifton wrote: > > > On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 13:29 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > > > > Very cool! I don't know what I would use a web-based tool for > > > right now, but I do have to say,

Re: gEDA-user: One more viewer for gEDA data.

2011-05-13 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Sat, 14 May 2011 00:15:26 +0100 Peter Clifton wrote: > On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 13:29 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > > Very cool! I don't know what I would use a web-based tool for right > > now, but I do have to say, the rendering of wedana is more beautiful > > than gschem itself... (thank

Re: gEDA-user: One more viewer for gEDA data.

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 23:22 +0300, Павел Таранов wrote: > Hi, >I'd like to introduse project Wedana ([1]http://wedana.sf.net), which >is based on the gEDA file format. >This project is HTML5 renderer (and editor) for the gEDA file formats. >Just now it is able to draw most primitive

Re: gEDA-user: One more viewer for gEDA data.

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 13:29 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > Very cool! I don't know what I would use a web-based tool for right > now, but I do have to say, the rendering of wedana is more beautiful > than gschem itself... (thanks to antialiasing) Speaking as the person who put a lot of efort in

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 11:16 -0700, Ouabache Designworks wrote: > Would it be useful. Yes >Would it be easy No. Indeed not. I was thinking you would work from the schematic first anyway, so you make a break where you want it on the schematic, then correct the PCB. PCB can already verify that

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 10:17 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > Agreed, these are some concerns that would have to be worked out. > Perhaps it would be easier and better to use UTF-32 for internal > operations, to simplify random access to characters in strings, and > just use UTF-8 for external stora

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 11:09 -0600, John Doty wrote: > In ancient Greek astronomy, when the theory of planetary motion didn't > fit the data, they added "epicycles". "Layers" have become pcb's > epicycles: every time somebody wants a "feature", they propose a new > kind of layer. FWIW, I'd love to

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Russell Dill
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:14:45 -0400 > DJ Delorie wrote: > > > > > IIRC my primary objection to the patch-as-was was, "where do we store > > the TTF files?"  PCB has no way to store binary blobs with the board, > > and if you don't keep th

Re: gEDA-user: One more viewer for gEDA data.

2011-05-13 Thread DJ Delorie
Hmmm... HTML5 exporter HID for PCB ? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: One more viewer for gEDA data.

2011-05-13 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 13 May 2011 23:22:34 +0300 Павел Таранов wrote: > Hi, > I'd like to introduse project Wedana (http://wedana.sf.net), which is > based on the gEDA file format. > > This project is HTML5 renderer (and editor) for the gEDA file formats. > > Just now it is able to draw most primitives avail

gEDA-user: One more viewer for gEDA data.

2011-05-13 Thread Павел Таранов
Hi, I'd like to introduse project Wedana ([1]http://wedana.sf.net), which is based on the gEDA file format. This project is HTML5 renderer (and editor) for the gEDA file formats. Just now it is able to draw most primitives availiable in schema files. So it can be used as client-si

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Colin D Bennett wrote: > Could you elaborate on this footprint generation work-flow? I am tempted to write a footprint generation howto... > Are you saying that you draw the footprint pads with lines on > top/bottom copper layer, pins with vias, and silk with lines, (*) > then you > save a “.

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 13 May 2011 20:03:15 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > * scripted derivation of footprints from dedicated layouts. > This is the footprint generation work-flow I currently prefer. Could you elaborate on this footprint generation work-flow? Are you saying that yo

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support

2011-05-13 Thread Ouabache Designworks
Would it be useful. Yes Would it be easy No. When you cut a trace you might split a node into two nodes. Or then again you might not if there is a loop on the PCB. You would need to extract connectivity from the layout to be sure. The cut on the PCB is unlikely to map to a nice e

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Think > * manual search&replace with a text editor > * scripted manipulation of components with awk and sed > * scripted generation of layouts * scripted derivation of footprints from dedicated layouts. This is the footprint generation work-flow I currently prefer. -

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Colin D Bennett wrote: > Can we just store it as BASE64-encoded or something blob for now? > Yeah, it might take 200 KB+ to store a font, but that's a drop in the > bucket compared to disk storage capacity these days. It would be a pain to any workflow that involves edits of the layout file by a

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 13 May 2011 17:52:38 +0100 Peter TB Brett wrote: > On Friday 13 May 2011 17:34:21 Colin D Bennett wrote: > > > > Note that it's been mentioned that PCB's internal "text" > > > representation should switch from ASCII-7 to UTF-8, and I agree. > > > > That should be quite simple and painles

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Andrew Poelstra
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 09:34:21AM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > That should be quite simple and painless, right? Fully > backward-compatible. > Well, we would need to convert every char* string to a wchar_t* one; all string functions would need a w added to them somewhere and string constan

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread John Doty
On May 13, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I just thought I'd document this idea in order to get some feedback. I > have no time to implement it for the foreseeable future, but it might > provide someone inspiration to get hacking on PCB. > > I sometimes find myself wo

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Friday 13 May 2011 17:34:21 Colin D Bennett wrote: > > Note that it's been mentioned that PCB's internal "text" > > representation should switch from ASCII-7 to UTF-8, and I agree. > > That should be quite simple and painless, right? Fully > backward-compatible. *cringe* Those sound like fam

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread DJ Delorie
> That should be quite simple and painless, right? Go for it :-) > Fully backward-compatible. Should be. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:14:45 -0400 DJ Delorie wrote: > > IIRC my primary objection to the patch-as-was was, "where do we store > the TTF files?" PCB has no way to store binary blobs with the board, > and if you don't keep them together you risk someone else getting > different results. However

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread DJ Delorie
IIRC my primary objection to the patch-as-was was, "where do we store the TTF files?" PCB has no way to store binary blobs with the board, and if you don't keep them together you risk someone else getting different results. However, perhaps we could keep both "plain text" and "TTF text" as diffe

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 13 May 2011 16:01:08 + Ineiev wrote: > On 05/13/2011 01:55 PM, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > It looked to me like most of the work was done in the patch but it > > was left to rot! > > In fact it was not. I was rebasing it next time few nights ago. Good to hear. > > Perhaps the only t

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Ineiev
On 05/13/2011 01:55 PM, Colin D Bennett wrote: It looked to me like most of the work was done in the patch but it was left to rot! In fact it was not. I was rebasing it next time few nights ago. Perhaps the only thing left to be done is to embed the font files in the .pcb file so that it does

gEDA-user: Software reviews in Ubuntu

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
Hi everyone, Do you use gEDA packages from Ubuntu? Do you have the latest version of Ubuntu installed? If so, can I urge you to visit the new and updated "software centre" application and submit some reviews please? (You will need to sign in). Open the software centre, find the gEDA applications

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 06:55 -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > I just ran across an old thread started 2009-03-12 by Ineiev with a > super cool patch for rendering text with the FreeType library (standard > TTF/OTF/etc. font support!). > > * Subject: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation > From

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 09:01 -0500, John Griessen wrote: > On 05/13/2011 08:10 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: > > Comments? > > Sounds close to the approach of Fritzing, where wiring is documented > as literal wires put in a plug-board. Your concept is different only > in keeping the as built prototype

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread John Griessen
On 05/13/2011 08:10 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: Comments? Sounds close to the approach of Fritzing, where wiring is documented as literal wires put in a plug-board. Your concept is different only in keeping the as built prototype as a reference -- no plug-board. One step of getting the omitted c

gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Colin D Bennett
I just ran across an old thread started 2009-03-12 by Ineiev with a super cool patch for rendering text with the FreeType library (standard TTF/OTF/etc. font support!). * Subject: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation From: Ineiev Date: 2009-03-12 09:32:40 GMT http://thread.gmane.org/gma

Re: gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread Andrew Seddon
I would definitely use this. I typically maintain a document of all patches whilst I'm bringing up the PCB for technicians to use then I use it myself to modify pcb/schematics. On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I just thought I'd document this idea in order

gEDA-user: An idea: rework design support...

2011-05-13 Thread Peter Clifton
Hi everyone, I just thought I'd document this idea in order to get some feedback. I have no time to implement it for the foreseeable future, but it might provide someone inspiration to get hacking on PCB. I sometimes find myself working within a particular generation of prototype board, wanting t

Re: gEDA-user: Adding inner polygons to a plane

2011-05-13 Thread Duncan Drennan
> Packages like Altium (which springs to mind), let you define a layer in > terms of its _negative_, so you split up a power plane by defining the > _boundary_ between the two (or more) regions. Negative layers are great for defining planes, especially when you want complex splits...and they don't

Re: gEDA-user: minipack-result -- gschem

2011-05-13 Thread Duncan Drennan
>> By the way, should the lines of the config files be terminated unix style, >> or DOS style? > > Doesn't make any difference either way. I did recently pick up a bug with gschem's postscript output and EOL characters which I must report on launchpad (not related to config files). It seems that

Re: gEDA-user: minipack-result -- gschem

2011-05-13 Thread Duncan Drennan
> Next step: How do I configure gschem to find my local library? > On my linux box I have these lines in ~/.gEDA/gafrc : Look in C:\Users\username\.gEDA I have my gafrc and gschemrc in there. In gafrc I use the following line, (component-library-search "d:/Projects/sym") i.e. / works perfectly

Re: gEDA-user: Adding inner polygons to a plane

2011-05-13 Thread Martin Kupec
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:04:39AM +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: > I can't recall exactly why, but I recall being partly opposed to > Z-ordering within a single layer before. It might be because it would > tend to produce big diffs in the PCB file for Z-ordering changes. Once you were opposing to me,