On Wednesday 06 December 2006 17:03, Evan Lavelle wrote:
> If you want to share knowledge, and you have the courage of
> your convictions, then you give it away, *no* strings
> attached. That's what universities are for. If I write a book
> on a technical subject, then that's precisely what I do.
al davis wrote:
As DJ said ... "don't talk about a license unless you've
actually read it and understand it."
Indeed; I agree entirely. I personally have read it, in detail, several
times, and have also seen a number of (mostly pseudo-)legal commentaries
on it. I believe that I understand v
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 05:03, Evan Lavelle wrote:
> That's what it's for, as you point out. It's not a subtlety.
> Where would Spice be now if it hadn't initially been BSD'ed?
> We'd have got something else, of course, but i suspect we
> wouldn't have heard of 'Spice'.
Actually I think we
> This is absurd, but the opposite extreme - as exemplified by the GPL
> - is equally absurd. What sort of message is this giving out?
"You can do what you want with this source, as long as you don't stop
others from doing what they want with it".
Red Hat charges a lot of money for the GPL softw
al davis wrote:
The BSD ver 1 license has an interesting subtlety that the
closed source developers love to exploit. Derivative works
have no strings attached. You can take the code, edit it into
a new code block that does the same thing. Now you can do
anything you want. .. make it propri
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Michael Sokolov wrote:
>Andy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> a) (Most) Hardware guys want to design and implement hardware. Tools
>> are the means to that end, not the end in itself, and we'd rather do
>> our work than deal with tool build failures.
>
>I just feel l
Hi Dan,
[snip]
>1) I do think it would probably make sense to create a more unified top
>level build and top level distfile for gEDA. While there may be some
>users who want to install gschem for schematics and only want to use it
>for postscript output, most people probably want to install t
DJ Delorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'll probably just hire someone else to do [layout] once I'm done with the
> > schematic entry phase and am confident enough in it.
>
> hmm... ask here first ;-)
That's exactly what I was going to do when I'm done with the schematics.
But I need to get al
Andy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While it's not likely a serious PCB editing tool will be text based
> (top-shelf PCB layout people have excellent visual and visualization
> skills and can do a great job of using the least amount of PCB real-
> estate while getting the least-congested
[snip]
>gschem and gnetlist -- should just work under cygwin. If not it should
>be pretty easy I'd guess. In terms of a non-cygwin windows version I
gEDA/gaf just works under cygwin thanks to a few dedicated
individuals.
>suspect it is basically not hard except for guile. There I
Hi,
I guess I forgot to mention that some people have very strong opinions
on this very topic.
[snip]
>On the other hand, many times we do not have access to a Linux box.
>Windows is unfortunately or not the single available desktop in many
>places. Now, I do not believe Windows users are jerks.
On Dec 5, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Dan McMahill wrote:
Mike Hansen wrote:
You can also install cygwin under windows and install gEDA under
cygwin. I believe there are a multitude of problems with this
arrangement so you will have to check docs.
I could be wrong but I thought things mostly work
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 16:43, Stuart Brorson wrote:
> > This was when I found out
> > about the real impact of the NGspice licensing problems,
> > which brings up a serious lesson we all need to learn. I
> > think the NGspice developers still don't understand what
> > the real problem was.
>
> Use 1and1.com for $5.99 per year.
My local isp is $12/year and... local! That's where I get all *my*
domains.
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>
>So, isn't Xantrex some kind of mood drug?
>
Let's try to keep discussions on geda-* somewhat related to
electronics. Please. Thanks,
-Ales
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On Dec 5, 2006, at 8:53 PM, Michael Sokolov wrote:
For a hard-core UNIX programmer like me, the only way to design
hardware
is to make it look like UNIX software: write the source with vi,
keep it
in CVS and compile with make, all in the absence of a graphical
display.
A graphical display
Mike Hansen wrote:
You can also install cygwin under windows and install gEDA under
cygwin. I believe there are a multitude of problems with this
arrangement so you will have to check docs.
I could be wrong but I thought things mostly worked there now.
It would be great if there was a nati
Adrian Nania wrote:
I do believe for more than 98% of people working with electronic
components it is not possible to install and use the latest gEDA
version. The endless compiling errors and flavor dependencies are
unbelievable. Yeah, we can always google around and after many hard
working weeks
DJ Delorie wrote:
>> Or be prepared to pay my consulting rates.
>
> Do we need a www.gedaconsulting.org ?
>
> :-)
Stuart Brorson wrote:
Should I grab the name before some spammer gets it?
Use 1and1.com for $5.99 per year.
John G
happy customer of 1and1.com
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> I'll probably just hire someone else to do it once I'm done with the
> schematic entry phase and am confident enough in it.
hmm... ask here first ;-)
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DJ Delorie wrote:
Or be prepared to pay my consulting rates.
Do we need a www.gedaconsulting.org ?
:-)
No, www.gedaconsulting.com of course!
JG
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Dave McGuire wrote:
None of the hardware people that *I* associate with use Windows. None.
Not chip design folks especially.
John G
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Adrian Nania wrote:
[snip]
I agree with Ales -- a Windows port would open the floodgates
As you put it here, gEDA project must accessible to a handful of
software developers only.
Adrian
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So, isn't Xantrex some kind of mood drug?
John G
engineer, non SW developer
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> But wait! I think RedHat has already cornered that market! :-)
We're open source. I don't think our market *has* corners.
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This was when I found out
about the real impact of the NGspice licensing problems, which
brings up a serious lesson we all need to learn. I think the
NGspice developers still don't understand what the real problem
was.
Ummm, what is the problem? Is it just the BSD ver. 1 licence thing,
or some
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:27, Mike Hansen wrote:
> A live CD version of gEDA would also be a welcomed addition.
> Something like Knoppix with gEDA installed. That would be
> as painless as it gets. Forgive my stupidity if this already
> exists.
Quantian Linux.
http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/
Andy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a) (Most) Hardware guys want to design and implement hardware. Tools
> are the means to that end, not the end in itself, and we'd rather do
> our work than deal with tool build failures.
I just feel like adding one different data point.
I come into t
Do we need a www.gedaconsulting.org ?
Make that www.gedaconsulting.com.
Should I grab the name before some spammer gets it?
Go for it! Later, if a viable business grows out of gEDA and its many
friends, then you can rent sub-domains to the rest of us on it ... for
a small fee (or other payme
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:01, Stuart Brorson wrote:
> I think RedHat has already cornered that market!
only for IT like stuff, not EDA.
I can see sort of a cooperative business model, where companies
would buy in and fund it in exchange for prioritizing what they
need.
Years ago, all of t
It would be great if there was a native Windows port of gEDA.
[.]
Thus you aren't likely to get the
current group to put any effort into a Windows port.
Not unless we are paid handsomely. Of course I speak only for myself
here; if somebody wants to put in all that work for free, they are
drian Nania" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I do believe for more than 98% of people working with electronic
components it is not possible to ins
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 14:23, Stuart Brorson wrote:
> Or be prepared to pay my consulting rates.
To all reading this .. Please take this as an invitation.
There are no problems, only unmet business opportunities.
One way to increase the priority of any task is to pay for it.
Speaking fo
Or be prepared to pay my consulting rates.
Do we need a www.gedaconsulting.org ?
Heh
But thinking about it, having an e-commerece site for things related
to gEDA, with PayPal ability, credit card processing, etc, isn't
totally far-fetched. That way users who wanted expedited patches,
cus
On Monday 04 December 2006 19:26, Adrian Nania wrote:
> It is possible for some good Samaritan to compile for windows
> and make available all the updated gEDA packages?
To answer this, you must understand how the binary packages are
made, and who does them.
Speaking as the creator of gnucap, on
On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:50 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On Dec 5, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Adrian Nania wrote:
[snip]
I agree with Ales -- a Windows port would open the floodgates to
hords
of whining clueless fools. Why should we subject ourselves to that?
Supporting the clueful users (and there are quit
> Or be prepared to pay my consulting rates.
Do we need a www.gedaconsulting.org ?
:-)
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Adrian Nania wrote:
[snip]
I agree with Ales -- a Windows port would open the floodgates to hords
of whining clueless fools. Why should we subject ourselves to that?
Supporting the clueful users (and there are quite a few) is already a
big job which we do exclusively for fun
On Dec 5, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Adrian Nania wrote:
[snip]
I agree with Ales -- a Windows port would open the floodgates to
hords
of whining clueless fools. Why should we subject ourselves to that?
Supporting the clueful users (and there are quite a few) is already a
big job which we do exclusive
7;re being
funny to name anyone else clueless fools.
Adrian
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Adrian Nania wrote:
I do believe for more than 98% of people working with electronic
components it is not possible to install and use the latest gEDA
version. The endless compiling errors and flavor dependencies are
unbelievable.
Yeah, we can always google around and after
CTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ales Hvezda
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:23 PM
To: gEDA user mailing list
Subject: Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure
Hi,
[snip]
>It is possible for some good Samaritan to compile for windows and make
>available all the updated gEDA packages?
Hi,
[snip]
>It is possible for some good Samaritan to compile for windows and make
>available all the updated gEDA packages?
>
I've had the "make the Windows port available" discussion many many times
(both virtually and in person). Just this last week I was talking to
another OSS developer (for
On Dec 2, 2006, at 4:40 PM, Ales Hvezda wrote:
Hi,
I'm doing an experiment: I'm trying to see if I can get the gEDA
tools
running under cygwin. I started with the instructions at
http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:cygwin.
I've never actually used the cygwin port, but...
[snip]
so it
Hi,
>I'm doing an experiment: I'm trying to see if I can get the gEDA tools
>running under cygwin. I started with the instructions at
>http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:cygwin.
I've never actually used the cygwin port, but...
[snip]
>so it can't find guile, because it's apparently looki
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