Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-11 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem
On 4/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Svenn - On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 06:32:31PM +0200, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote: A solder dot does _explicitely_ tell the reader that there is a connection. The lack of a solder dot does not explicitely tell you [chop] If you want to tell

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem
On 4/2/07, John Coppens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:03:08 -0700 william estrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have made my first drawing using gEDA. I have some questions about using gEDA. In the drawing I used an 'arc' to jump over one of the 'traces'. Is the a better

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread DJ Delorie
I don't think there is another way but to use wire jumps to explicitely tell the reader that there is no connection on a crossing. Sorry, you're wrong. The correct thing to do is the same thing everyone else on the planet is doing. This means, crossed lines without a dot are not connected,

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem
On 4/10/07, DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there is another way but to use wire jumps to explicitely tell the reader that there is no connection on a crossing. Sorry, you're wrong. The correct thing to do is the same thing everyone else on the planet is doing. This

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread Ryan Seal
A wire jump tells the reader _explicitely_ Here are two wires crossing. Two lines just crossing may trigger the question: Are these lines connected or not?. And a junction (circle or dot) doesn't do this??? ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread ldoolitt
Svenn - On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 05:54:19PM +0200, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote: A wire jump tells the reader _explicitely_ Here are two wires crossing. [chop] When they _are_ automagically generated, like in Visio, I tend to use them as there are no questions like do those lines cross or are they

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem
On 4/10/07, Ryan Seal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A wire jump tells the reader _explicitely_ Here are two wires crossing. Two lines just crossing may trigger the question: Are these lines connected or not?. And a junction (circle or dot) doesn't do this??? A solder dot does _explicitely_ tell

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread ldoolitt
Svenn - On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 06:32:31PM +0200, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote: A solder dot does _explicitely_ tell the reader that there is a connection. The lack of a solder dot does not explicitely tell you [chop] If you want to tell people that they should use wire jumps in their schematics,

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread DJ Delorie
So, are you volunteering to add crossing jumps to gschem? It should be a change to the drawing engine only, and a (default off) setting in the GUI. I agree that *IF* we want such a thing, it should be done deep in the draw this net line code in gschem. It would be cool auto have them

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem
On 4/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Svenn - On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 05:54:19PM +0200, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote: A wire jump tells the reader _explicitely_ Here are two wires crossing. [chop] When they _are_ automagically generated, like in Visio, I tend to use them as

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread DJ Delorie
Since when is the offering of opinions on a mailing list the same as stepping up as a volunteer? It's just a general observation, that (1) the people who want something are the most likely ones to invest in getting it, (2) if nobody else wants to do it, it's the *only* way to get it, and (3)

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 12:39 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: So, are you volunteering to add crossing jumps to gschem? It should be a change to the drawing engine only, and a (default off) setting in the GUI. I agree that *IF* we want such a thing, it should be done deep in the draw this net

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread DJ Delorie
*IF* this were done, we'd need probably need to track crossed objects as well as connected objects, otherwise the drawing code would have to check lots of lines for intersection at each redraw. pcb does this rather efficiently using rtrees to keep track of what's where. Since most net lines

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: I don't think there is another way but to use wire jumps to explicitely tell the reader that there is no connection on a crossing. Sorry, you're wrong. The correct thing to do is the same thing everyone else on the planet is doing. This means, crossed lines without a dot

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread Dan McMahill
DJ Delorie wrote: I don't think there is another way but to use wire jumps to explicitely tell the reader that there is no connection on a crossing. Sorry, you're wrong. The correct thing to do is the same thing everyone else on the planet is doing. This means, crossed lines without a dot

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread evan foss
Why is the 2nd bad? Suppose one of those wires got close but you didnt' connect that last grid space? Suppose you fax the schematic to someone and it is hard to tell solder dots or no solder dots? Suppose some older CAD tool you once used had a bug and didn't always include all 4 nets.

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] it still bothers me though. It is like the fact that I can't get an omega symbol after a resistors value. I just checked in an upper case omega font file into CVS that I've had sitting around for a while along with the magic to make it work. However, I haven't confirmed that omegas show

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-10 Thread evan foss
[snip] it still bothers me though. It is like the fact that I can't get an omega symbol after a resistors value. I just checked in an upper case omega font file into CVS that I've had sitting around for a while along with the magic to make it work. However, I haven't confirmed that omegas show

gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-02 Thread william estrada
Hi guys, I have made my first drawing using gEDA. I have some questions about using gEDA. In the drawing I used an 'arc' to jump over one of the 'traces'. Is the a better way to show that lines are not connected? http://64.124.13.3/PIC_Projects/4-bit_12-LED.png -- William Estrada [EMAIL

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-02 Thread DJ Delorie
The rule is: Lines that cross without a dot are not connected. Lines that cross with a dot are connected. No arcs are required. A three-way connection is, obviously, connected. Note: avoid connecting more than one net at the end of a pin; whether you get a dot or not - and whether there's a

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-02 Thread Mike Jarabek
-- -Original Message- From: william estrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:03:08 To:geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels) Hi guys, I have made my first drawing using gEDA. I have some

Re: gEDA-user: 4-bit_12-LED.png (PNG Image, 1024x768 pixels)

2007-04-02 Thread John Coppens
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:03:08 -0700 william estrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have made my first drawing using gEDA. I have some questions about using gEDA. In the drawing I used an 'arc' to jump over one of the 'traces'. Is the a better way to show that lines are not connected? By