Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-16 Thread C P Tarun
Great. How do I ask Ales for a login? Got it. ahvezda at geda.seul.org. Tarun ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-16 Thread C P Tarun
I just asked Ales for a http://geda.seul.org/wiki login. It's for the gEDA suite Great. How do I ask Ales for a login? Tarun ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-16 Thread John Griessen
C P Tarun wrote: I have read perhaps 100 A4-sized pages of text on gschem and pcb and the connection between the two, by going through the info pages for PCB and online tutorials and FAQs. And I remember feeling very uneasy about the names-versus-numbers issue. But I do not remember reading any

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-15 Thread C P Tarun
Thanks, all of you guys. Specially Dan, your explanation of pin names and numbers was desperately needed. Here is the problem. In PCB, pins have a name and a number. The number is specific to the package and the name is specific to whats inside the package. Lets take a SO8 package that happen

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-15 Thread John Griessen
Dan McMahill wrote: Now that the .cmd file does is it goes through and says "U1-2 (i.e. pin #2 of U1) happens to be called the "IN-" pin on this particular op-amp". And it makes all those changes. Thats all the .cmd file does. If you don't ever load it, nothing bad happens Thanks Dan, t

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-15 Thread Dan McMahill
Stuart Brorson wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, C P Tarun wrote: Can any of you please help me with this question? Why didn't the .cmd file work? Tarun see below Guys, Can you please help me with one part of my original question? 1. When I load the netlist into the PCB program, it gives

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-15 Thread Ryan Seal
Can you please help me with one part of my original question? 1. When I load the netlist into the PCB program, it gives errors saying that it couldn't find pins with the names given in the footprints, or some such thing. Just try loading my .pcb file first, then try loading the ne

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-15 Thread DJ Delorie
> Umm, Dan and DJ are the right ones to answer this question. It's > possible the renaming functionality hasn't been completely built > into PCB yet, but they are the experts -- not me. I wouldn't know. I never run the command scripts when I run gsch2pcb. _

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-15 Thread Stuart Brorson
e. Stuart On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, C P Tarun wrote: Can any of you please help me with this question? Why didn't the .cmd file work? Tarun -- Forwarded message -- From: C P Tarun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mar 14, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Hi first post To: g

gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-15 Thread C P Tarun
Can any of you please help me with this question? Why didn't the .cmd file work? Tarun -- Forwarded message -- From: C P Tarun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mar 14, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Hi first post To: gEDA user mailing list Guys, Can you ple

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-14 Thread C P Tarun
Guys, Can you please help me with one part of my original question? 1. When I load the netlist into the PCB program, it gives errors saying that it couldn't find pins with the names given in the footprints, or some such thing. Just try loading my .pcb file first, then try loading t

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread Steve Meier
I am building a board with a couple of 1020 pin BGAs the "pins" are normally "numbered" by a row column system that uses letter for one axis and numbers for the second axis. Both PCB and gschem use character strings for the pin numbers and it works well. This implies that both Y21 and 14 can be val

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread C P Tarun
2. Yes, lots of people call for heavy symbols, in which each symbol calls out a specific footprint, and there's no discrepancy between pinnumber on the symbol and on the footprint. Hmmm... I think this is the approach which is "safest" for a novice designer like me. I guess I'll just roll my ow

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread C P Tarun
I use a part that has a NPN and a PNP in one package. Six leads, six position numbers, 2 C's, 2 B's, 2 E's. How would you deal with that? For any device other than transistors, I guess numbers are fine. After all, for those devices, you don't have a universally accepted single symbol which i

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread Stuart Brorson
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Steve Meier wrote: geda and pcb don't care if the pinnumbers are numbers or strings. As long as they are the same. Yeah, but since there are multiple symbols for many devices, and multiple footprints for a single symbol, it's best for us to standardize on a common pinnumbe

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread John Griessen
C P Tarun wrote: What is the general opinion about keeping symbol pin numbers for transistors as "B", "C" and "E"? Isn't this better? No, just different. It sure sounds logical to use B,C,E,S,G,D as pin numbers in netlists, but the usual product datasheets use a package drawing with numbers fo

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread Andy Peters
On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:20 AM, C P Tarun wrote: geda and pcb don't care if the pinnumbers are numbers or strings. As long as they are the same. From a preference point of view I like the pin numbers to match the component data sheet. This is the part I too would have thought was natural. I woul

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread C P Tarun
Yeah, like John pointed out this is a problem with the symbol ${geda install dir}/share/gEDA/sym/analog/npn-2.sym. It uses B, C, and E as the pin numbers. The pinnumber needs to be a number, and the numbers should correspond to the numbers on the footprint you want to use. Even if I assume tha

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread C P Tarun
Thanks, all of you. I really appreciate the help. Am feeling a lot more relieved. I now realise that just like I like my own resistors and capacitor footprints more than the ones I found in the PCB libraries, I will probably need to build my own edited collection of gschem symbols. I can live wit

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread Steve Meier
geda and pcb don't care if the pinnumbers are numbers or strings. As long as they are the same. >From a preference point of view I like the pin numbers to match the component data sheet. Steve Meier On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 11:35 -0400, Stuart Brorson wrote: > > Change the pin names to numbers in

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread Stuart Brorson
Change the pin names to numbers in the schematic symbol files. Then the footprint pin numbers will map to schematic symbol pin numbers. Yeah, like John pointed out this is a problem with the symbol ${geda install dir}/share/gEDA/sym/analog/npn-2.sym. It uses B, C, and E as the pin numbers. T

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread John Luciani
On 3/13/07, C P Tarun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And here's your netlist: > > unnamed_net2R2-2 Q1-B R1-2 > unnamed_net1R1-1 C1-2 > siggnd R2-1 Q2-E Q1-E C1-1 > > So what's wrong? Q1-B, Q1-E and Q2-E all exist, as in your schematic; > the other connections don't. I may be dense, but I

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread C P Tarun
And here's your netlist: unnamed_net2R2-2 Q1-B R1-2 unnamed_net1R1-1 C1-2 siggnd R2-1 Q2-E Q1-E C1-1 So what's wrong? Q1-B, Q1-E and Q2-E all exist, as in your schematic; the other connections don't. I may be dense, but I don't see any problem with what you have.. You're not den

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread Stuart Brorson
I tried building a simple toy schematic using gschem and pushing it to PCB, but my netlist is not showing all the connections, because the pin names (numbers?) of the transistor symbols in the schematic are not matching with the TO92 pin names (numbers?) in the footprint, even after I run the .cmd

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread C P Tarun
> What I really need to know is how did this happen? When using gschem, I > tried moving each transistor to check whether the nets were connected to > the pins or not, and they moved with the symbol, showing connection. > After that, why did the connections not show up in the netlist? They did sh

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread John Griessen
C P Tarun wrote: Simple as that. Q2 pin E is connected to net siggnd. Great. Thanks for identifying this. What I really need to know is how did this happen? When using gschem, I tried moving each transistor to check whether the nets were connected to the pins or not, and they moved with the s

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread C P Tarun
Your netlist at http://www.dhandanought.org/tcpip/audio/EXP/geda-probs/test-schem.net does have all the connections made in the schematic The schematic shows no connection to B or C on the transistors. siggnd has Q2-E which is all there is for Q2. Simple as that. Q2 pin E is connected to n

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread John Griessen
C P Tarun wrote: I tried building a simple toy schematic using gschem and pushing it to PCB, but my netlist is not showing all the connections, because the pin names (numbers?) of the transistor symbols in the schematic are not matching with the TO92 pin names (numbers?) in the footprint, even a

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread C P Tarun
Welcome ! Read your post on diyaudio as well. I am active as blu_line over there. Kewl!! So we diy audio guys do have some presence in the geda gang after all! Great. :) Hope to see interesting circuits built using geda. I'm waiting for the time I'll get my first audio circuits done using gsche

Re: gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread ST de Feber
Hi tcpip, Welcome ! Read your post on diyaudio as well. I am active as blu_line over there. grtz Simon - Original Message From: C P Tarun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: geda-user@seul.org Sent: Tuesday, 13 March, 2007 10:17:51 AM Subject: gEDA-user: Hi first post Hi guys, I&#x

gEDA-user: Hi.... first post

2007-03-13 Thread C P Tarun
Hi guys, I'm new to this list, and I've just begun exploring gschem and PCB a week or so back. Thought I'd introduce myself. I am an engineer by qualification and am interested in audio system building. Hence my need for a circuit design environment. I have used Eagle (the free version) for a fe