Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Dylan Smith
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Just checked it. Some remarks: snip I have actually used PCB Cart, and found them to be good value and do a nice job - I had them make ten 4 layer 100x60mm boards with 6/6 rules. No faults (all electrically tested), arrived very well packed, and

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:11:30 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: Yes, but total costs are still not bad. If I remember correctly: Four boards, 4 layer, each 26cm * 32cm will give total something about 1000 Dollar. My favorite Germany based fab, Basista, quotes 992.92 EUR for 5 such boards,

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 05:36:02PM +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: Am Montag, den 16.02.2009, 09:50 + schrieb Dylan Smith: On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Dave N6NZ wrote: On Chinese fabs... So... it's hard to beat BatchPCB's price for one-offs, but I've decided to dial back a bit on how

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 09:11:30PM +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: Am Montag, den 16.02.2009, 18:53 + schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak: Some remarks: * 4 Layers will take 12 working days minimum, plus what ever it takes for fedex to ship from china. If you don't register for open account

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Dienstag, den 17.02.2009, 14:41 + schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak: On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:11:30 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: Yes, but total costs are still not bad. If I remember correctly: Four boards, 4 layer, each 26cm * 32cm will give total something about 1000 Dollar. My favorite

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:11:53 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: this is 3.2*2.6*123 = 1023.36 Euro for one board. Look for the Sparklasse. This assumes a per panel pricing. You get what ever number of identical PCBs fit onto on a panel for more or less fixed price. They keep your data. So the

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-16 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Montag, den 16.02.2009, 09:50 + schrieb Dylan Smith: On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Dave N6NZ wrote: On Chinese fabs... So... it's hard to beat BatchPCB's price for one-offs, but I've decided to dial back a bit on how hard I push their technology. I've never gotten a straight answer from

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-16 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:36:02 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: I consider using PCB Cart myself -- price is good, Just checked it. Some remarks: * 4 Layers will take 12 working days minimum, plus what ever it takes for fedex to ship from china. If you don't register for open account payment

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-16 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Montag, den 16.02.2009, 18:53 + schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak: Some remarks: * 4 Layers will take 12 working days minimum, plus what ever it takes for fedex to ship from china. If you don't register for open account payment needs to be confirmed before production time begins. Yes,

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-16 Thread Steven Michalske
On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Stefan Salewski wrote: Am Montag, den 16.02.2009, 18:53 + schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak: Some remarks: * 4 Layers will take 12 working days minimum, plus what ever it takes for fedex to ship from china. If you don't register for open account payment needs

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
Yeah, it looks like you violated the minimum trace width on the hairline copper traces between the two pads, and they broke off and got glued down by the solder mask. I usually go through all my 0603's and increase the clearance just enough to not have those slivers. I don't think it's

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-14 Thread Eric Brombaugh
DJ Delorie wrote: I usually go through all my 0603's and increase the clearance just enough to not have those slivers. Good idea - one more thing to add to my customized footprint library. Eric ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-14 Thread Dave N6NZ
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:05:18 -0700, Eric Brombaugh wrote: http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/synth/armfpga/gnd_shorts.jpg Solder mask is offset by a pretty large margin in this sample (~5 mil). Is this typical for BatchPCB? Well, I've had mixed luck with

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-14 Thread Ben Jackson
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 06:09:36PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Yeah, it looks like you violated the minimum trace width on the hairline copper traces between the two pads, and they broke off and got glued down by the solder mask. Yep. If you have an unpopulated board and a stout bench supply

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:27:48 -0800, Ben Jackson wrote: It's not really a DRC problem. The polygon clearance code should eliminate slivers when they form. I've thought about how to do it, but I don't have any ideas that would work well in our dynamic add/remove setup. It would be pretty

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-14 Thread Eric Brombaugh
Ben Jackson wrote: On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 06:09:36PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Yeah, it looks like you violated the minimum trace width on the hairline copper traces between the two pads, and they broke off and got glued down by the solder mask. Yep. If you have an unpopulated board and a