Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-15 Thread Peter Baxendale
We used to use CUPL here a few years ago (a good old command line version), which I always found easier to use than palasm. A couple of weeks back I programmed a 22v10 for a student demo. I used a free (beer) windows version called WinCUPL I found on the Atmel site. Unfortunately its a gui driven t

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 14, 2007, at 8:31 PM, Andy Peters wrote: We had a 2900 at my last job. I hadn't seen one since my first job out of college, where I used one to program Altera MAX7192 parts. The magic adapter cost like $500 (in 1992 dollars). The stupid floppy disk on the thing kept failing for no

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread Andy Peters
On Mar 14, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: On Mar 14, 2007, at 8:01 PM, Andy Peters wrote: We had a 2900 at my last job. I hadn't seen one since my first job out of college, where I used one to program Altera MAX7192 parts. The magic adapter cost like $500 (in 1992 dollars). The s

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 14, 2007, at 8:14 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: That's why I maintain my own equipment. My 2900 had a dead floppy drive when I bought it. I replaced it with one from the closet and it has worked great ever since. Ok, my furnace has an embedded linux computer in it. That's because you, s

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread DJ Delorie
>That's why I maintain my own equipment. My 2900 had a dead > floppy drive when I bought it. I replaced it with one from the > closet and it has worked great ever since. Ok, my furnace has an embedded linux computer in it. But, why would your closet need a floppy? And how often do you hav

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 14, 2007, at 8:01 PM, Andy Peters wrote: We had a 2900 at my last job. I hadn't seen one since my first job out of college, where I used one to program Altera MAX7192 parts. The magic adapter cost like $500 (in 1992 dollars). The stupid floppy disk on the thing kept failing for no

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread Andy Peters
On Mar 14, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: On Mar 14, 2007, at 6:55 PM, John Griessen wrote: A GAL programmer isn't difficult at all. High-end, currently supported professional programmers (big Data I/O units come to mind...I recently replaced my 2900 with a UniSite) are easy to com

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 14, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: Is unisite about doing gang programming for production? (I missed this part) No, it is a single-unit programmer. I don't believe there are gang programmer modules available for it, but I'm not 100% sure about that. The strength here is

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 14, 2007, at 7:01 PM, John Griessen wrote: Is unisite about doing gang programming for production? (I missed this part) No, it is a single-unit programmer. I don't believe there are gang programmer modules available for it, but I'm not 100% sure about that. The strength here i

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 14, 2007, at 7:01 PM, John Griessen wrote: High-end, currently supported professional programmers (big Data I/O units come to mind... Is unisite about doing gang programming for production? Is this a decent price? ebay 320090700185 $180 shipped with site 48... they have good recor

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 14, 2007, at 6:55 PM, John Griessen wrote: A GAL programmer isn't difficult at all. High-end, currently supported professional programmers (big Data I/O units come to mind...I recently replaced my 2900 with a UniSite) are easy to come by on eBay these days Does a unisite work with

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread John Griessen
Dave McGuire wrote: High-end, currently supported professional programmers (big Data I/O units come to mind... Is unisite about doing gang programming for production? Is this a decent price? ebay 320090700185 $180 shipped with site 48... they have good record, 99.9% of 1249 sales, maybe th

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-14 Thread John Griessen
Dave McGuire wrote: A GAL programmer isn't difficult at all. High-end, currently supported professional programmers (big Data I/O units come to mind...I recently replaced my 2900 with a UniSite) are easy to come by on eBay these days Hi Dave, Does a unisite work with windows? Generic ser

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-13 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 14, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Richard Balogh wrote: I still use GALs, especially GAL16V8 for simple projects e.g. decoders, special chars generators etc. For compiling equations to JEDEC format I use free OpalJr. - simple and minimalistic but does it's job. Problem is with programming, I use

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-13 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 07:18:43AM +0100, Richard Balogh wrote: > I still use GALs, especially GAL16V8 for simple projects e.g. decoders, > special chars generators etc. For compiling equations to JEDEC format > I use free OpalJr. - simple and minimalistic but does it's job. Problem > is with progr

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-13 Thread Richard Balogh
I still use GALs, especially GAL16V8 for simple projects e.g. decoders, special chars generators etc. For compiling equations to JEDEC format I use free OpalJr. - simple and minimalistic but does it's job. Problem is with programming, I use a proffesional programmer and I don't know about any simp

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-13 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 13, 2007, at 6:22 PM, Stephen Williams wrote: Is Icarus PAL still alive? Not especially. No one seems to be programming pals these days, and using FPGAs instead. I know of a few people using PALs, and I use them myself. I use PALASM under DOS on an x86 emulator. It works fine.

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-13 Thread Dave N6NZ
Stephen Williams wrote: Philipp Klaus Krause wrote: Is Icarus PAL still alive? Not especially. No one seems to be programming pals these days, and using FPGAs instead. Are there any FPGA's that can be targeted by open source tools? I realize the place/route issues with the typical FPGA mak

gEDA-user: Re: How to program PAL/GAL?

2007-03-13 Thread Stephen Williams
Philipp Klaus Krause wrote: > Is Icarus PAL still alive? Not especially. No one seems to be programming pals these days, and using FPGAs instead. -- Steve Williams"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. steve at icarus.com But I have promises to keep, http://www.icarus.c