Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-16 Thread Joerg
Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009, Eric Brombaugh wrote: al davis wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009, Joerg wrote: What I bemoan is the utter lack of hands-on experience. Most newly minted engineers can't even solder properly. Pathetic. So sad. I recently saw a post on an email list

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-15 Thread David C. Kerber
-Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of al davis Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:42 PM To: geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package On Thursday 14 May 2009, David C. Kerber

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-15 Thread John Griessen
David C. Kerber wrote: I have nothing against any of the *nix systems; I've been pushing for trying some Linux systems in my company for a while, but I finally got some support from another of our developers, so we're at long last looking at porting some of our stuff to Linux. None of us

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-15 Thread Joerg
Peter Baxendale wrote: On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 13:25 -0400, al davis wrote: Educators typically use simulators very poorly, as if they themselves don't understand. In most cases, the total use is a few specified runs with a couple of graphs, that you do after everything else is done. A

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-15 Thread Joerg
al davis wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009, Joerg wrote: What I bemoan is the utter lack of hands-on experience. Most newly minted engineers can't even solder properly. Pathetic. So sad. I recently saw a post on an email list that did a very good job at illustrating, by example, why this

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-15 Thread John Doty
On May 15, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Joerg wrote: Peter Baxendale wrote: On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 13:25 -0400, al davis wrote: Educators typically use simulators very poorly, as if they themselves don't understand. In most cases, the total use is a few specified runs with a couple of graphs, that

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-15 Thread John Doty
On May 15, 2009, at 12:14 PM, al davis wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009, Joerg wrote: What I bemoan is the utter lack of hands-on experience. Most newly minted engineers can't even solder properly. Pathetic. So sad. I recently saw a post on an email list that did a very good job at

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 May 2009, Eric Brombaugh wrote: al davis wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009, Joerg wrote: What I bemoan is the utter lack of hands-on experience. Most newly minted engineers can't even solder properly. Pathetic. So sad. I recently saw a post on an email list that did a very good

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-14 Thread Peter Baxendale
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 13:19 -0400, al davis wrote: Gnucap has always worked on windows. It works with gEDA, with gnetlist generating a spice file, as well as any simulator does. How about using Gnucap? Well, for this particular course, for these particular students I needed something they

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-14 Thread Joerg
Peter Baxendale wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 13:19 -0400, al davis wrote: Gnucap has always worked on windows. It works with gEDA, with gnetlist generating a spice file, as well as any simulator does. How about using Gnucap? Well, for this particular course, for these particular students

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-14 Thread al davis
On Thursday 14 May 2009, Joerg wrote: AFAIK Gnucap is not quite SPICE-compatible, but that's what your students will be facing when they head out into industry. LTSpice might be an alternative. Very short learning curve, free of cost, nice graphics output and by now very widespread in

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-14 Thread Joerg
al davis wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009, Joerg wrote: AFAIK Gnucap is not quite SPICE-compatible, but that's what your students will be facing when they head out into industry. LTSpice might be an alternative. Very short learning curve, free of cost, nice graphics output and by now very

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-14 Thread al davis
On Thursday 14 May 2009, Joerg wrote: Not bug-for-bug, but as close to the industry standard as practical. If you let them use something that has nice features they get used to those, and then in industry where they don't have those it becomes a problem. You can do just about anything with

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-14 Thread Joerg
al davis wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009, Joerg wrote: Not bug-for-bug, but as close to the industry standard as practical. If you let them use something that has nice features they get used to those, and then in industry where they don't have those it becomes a problem. You can do just about

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-14 Thread gene glick
To get back on topic . We had cygwin on the lab computers. I encouraged students to install it on their own computers if they were running windows and didn't also have a unix-type OS such as Linux, BSD, or Mac. Have you seen Sun's Virtual Box? It's very cool. Basically, it

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-14 Thread Joerg
gene glick wrote: To get back on topic . We had cygwin on the lab computers. I encouraged students to install it on their own computers if they were running windows and didn't also have a unix-type OS such as Linux, BSD, or Mac. Have you seen Sun's Virtual Box? It's very cool.

gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-13 Thread Peter Baxendale
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 23:31 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: I'd love to point my coworkers to a place where they can get everything they need to install gschem/pcb in a windows context. If web space is an issue, I may dedicate bandwidth either on my private website or at the university of

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-13 Thread David C. Kerber
...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Peter Baxendale Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:33 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 23:31 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: I'd love to point my coworkers to a place where they can get everything

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-13 Thread al davis
On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Peter Baxendale wrote: I routinely package up cygwin with built gEDA cygwin executables once a year for our Windows users here. Because it's once a year it gets a bit out of date, but I'd be happy to make it available to anyone interested. It has a readme to tell you

Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package

2009-05-13 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:32:37 +0100, Peter Baxendale wrote: I routinely package up cygwin with built gEDA cygwin executables once a year for our Windows users here. Because it's once a year it gets a bit out of date, but I'd be happy to make it available to anyone interested. It has a readme

gEDA-user: geda cygwin package (Re: geda-user Digest, Vol 36, Issue 35)

2009-05-13 Thread Robas, Teodor
Subject: Re: gEDA-user: geda cygwin package From: David C. Kerber [1]dker...@warrenrogersassociates.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:08:07 -0400 To: gEDA user mailing list [2]geda-user@moria.seul.org