Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-09-02 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 08:37:59PM -0600, John Doty wrote: > > On Aug 27, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Dan McMahill wrote: > > > This problem goes beyond diodes and transistors. For example, the old > > 10H series of ECL parts came both in DIP packages as well as PLCC > > packages. Some of the parts thoug

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-29 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:28:22 +0200 Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:28:11 -0700 > Colin D Bennett wrote: > > > Nice! That sounds very slick. Have you shared your code for this > > pin-mapping tool? > > What I do is I share my git repositories... > > http://git.logonex.eu/?p=ut

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-29 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:28:11 -0700 Colin D Bennett wrote: > Nice! That sounds very slick. Have you shared your code for this > pin-mapping tool? What I do is I share my git repositories... http://git.logonex.eu/?p=utils4geda.git;a=tree;f=scripts4geda;h=e2d27439fbed3df645cfc65248ef690dd32956f4

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-29 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:34:04 +0200 Kovacs Levente wrote: > When you use a light symbol, a script finds a pinmap, and constructs > a heavy symbol. Say for example if you have a SOT23 diode with A1A2K > pinout you'll get a symbol with name like 'diode-SOT23-A1A2K.sym' > this symbol is then copied t

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-28 Thread Ethan Swint
On 08/27/2011 10:37 PM, John Doty wrote: On Aug 27, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Dan McMahill wrote: This problem goes beyond diodes and transistors. For example, the old 10H series of ECL parts came both in DIP packages as well as PLCC packages. Some of the parts though, would be in a 16 pin DIP or a 2

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-27 Thread John Doty
On Aug 27, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Dan McMahill wrote: > This problem goes beyond diodes and transistors. For example, the old > 10H series of ECL parts came both in DIP packages as well as PLCC > packages. Some of the parts though, would be in a 16 pin DIP or a 20 > pin PLCC and so the pin numbers d

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-27 Thread Dan McMahill
On 8/23/2011 8:47 PM, Matthew Lewis wrote: > I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather nasty > gotcha. It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode > should be pin 1. Gschem views pin 1 as the anode and PCB considers pin 1 > to be the cathode. It doesn't

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-26 Thread Kovacs Levente
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:21:26 -0700 Colin D Bennett wrote: > Do you really want to delete and re-add each of your dozens of > transistors in gschem when you change the transistor to one with a > different pinout? If you use a logically-pinned symbol, you can > easily change the pinout by just edi

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-25 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:41:28 +0200 Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:03:35 +0200 > Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > > > Why not? > > Pinnumbers are "numbers" in the first place. Former versions of > netlisters/PCB got confused by non-digital pinnumbers. Who cares? There's no reason to

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering - anode/cathode definition

2011-08-25 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:28:46 -0400 Ethan Swint wrote: > On 08/24/2011 01:15 PM, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > I understand that it is electrical convention to name diode terminal > > anode and cathode, but I reject it as a confusing and ambiguous > > naming convention. > Yes, it's not quite correct,

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-25 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:03:35 +0200 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Why not? Pinnumbers are "numbers" in the first place. Former versions of netlisters/PCB got confused by non-digital pinnumbers. With this approach you have to have a SOT23 footprint with 1,2,3 pinout, A,K,NC pinout, A1,A2,K pinout, B,

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering - anode/cathode definition

2011-08-25 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:28:46 -0400 Ethan Swint wrote: > On 08/24/2011 01:15 PM, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:21:17 -0400 > > Ethan Swint wrote: > > > >> On 08/23/2011 08:47 PM, Matthew Lewis wrote: > >>> I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather > >>

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Kovacs Levente wrote: > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:21:17 -0400 > Ethan Swint wrote: > >> I've defined my own symbols and footprints to use 'A' and 'K' instead >> of 1 and 2. > > I don't think it's a good idea. Why not? ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel:

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering - anode/cathode definition

2011-08-25 Thread Ethan Swint
On 08/24/2011 01:15 PM, Colin D Bennett wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:21:17 -0400 Ethan Swint wrote: On 08/23/2011 08:47 PM, Matthew Lewis wrote: I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather nasty gotcha. It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode s

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-25 Thread Kovacs Levente
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:21:17 -0400 Ethan Swint wrote: > I've defined my own symbols and footprints to use 'A' and 'K' instead > of 1 and 2. I don't think it's a good idea. Instead, I use my own library, where pin numbers are consistent. In addition I have my perl scripts which can add pin number

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering - anode/cathode definition

2011-08-24 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:21:17 -0400 Ethan Swint wrote: > On 08/23/2011 08:47 PM, Matthew Lewis wrote: > > I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather > > nasty gotcha. It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end > > of a diode should be pin 1. Gschem views pin 1 a

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-24 Thread Steven Michalske
On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Ethan Swint wrote: > On 08/23/2011 08:47 PM, Matthew Lewis wrote: >> I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather nasty >> gotcha. It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode >> should be pin 1. Gschem views pin 1 as the an

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-24 Thread Ethan Swint
On 08/23/2011 08:47 PM, Matthew Lewis wrote: I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather nasty gotcha. It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode should be pin 1. Gschem views pin 1 as the anode and PCB considers pin 1 to be the cathode. It doesn't p

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Matthew Lewis wrote: > but the change had no effect since the older m4 > lib is being used when you import a schematic. You have to go back and > manually replace the footprints if you want newlib. This is why I habitually move the m4 lib out of the way, so gnetlist does not find it even if it

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-23 Thread DJ Delorie
> It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode > should be pin 1. Welcome back to the transistor problem :-P > I've also noticed that gschem searches the older m4 library first ahead > of the new pcblib. Is there a way to get PCB to use the newlib first? Probably. I've b

gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-23 Thread Matthew Lewis
I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather nasty gotcha. It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode should be pin 1. Gschem views pin 1 as the anode and PCB considers pin 1 to be the cathode. It doesn't prevent you from laying out a board correctly,