[Gen-art] Re: Changed usage of 2833 event codes

2006-06-08 Thread Tom-PT Taylor
I'm resending this because it didn't seem to make it out the first time. My apologies if you do get it twice. I'm adding the AVT WG to this message to get people's comments there. I've reset the subject line. In summary, Michael warns that we will live to regret reassigning some of the event cod

RE: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread C. M. Heard
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > I do not believe that his comment intended to be 'discouraging' > and certainly did not say 'you can't review', but just made the > point that on MIB-related subjects, this reference should be > consulted. Indeed. The point I was trying to make is

[Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread David B Harrington
Hi Keith, Yup, I agree with your comments. > Agreed, and because it is appropriate to list RFC3410 as Informative, > it is also appropriate to use SNMP as an example of a remote network > management protocol for transporting MIB data. I will refer to this > point multiple times below. Agreed,

[Gen-art] Re: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Keith McCloghrie
Hi Dave, > It is appropriate in a MIB module to list RFC2578-80 (SMIv2) as > Normative, since they define the language used in the MIB. Agreed. > It is appropriate in a MIB module to list RFC3410 as Informative, > because SNMP is not the only protocol that can transport MIB data, in > accordanc

[Gen-art] Re: Genart review of draft-ietf-radext-dynauth-server-mib-05 / draft-ietf-radext-dynauth-client-mib-05

2006-06-08 Thread Ron Bonica
Ok. In that case, you are fine. The MIB Rx is the MIB Doctor Review group. Your AD will introduce you to them somewhere in the process. Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Thanks for the review, see below for some answers > > Ron Bonica wrote: > >> I am the assi

[Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)
The document was just discussed in the IESG telechat. Brian has yet to read Keith's other mail, but it looks that (based on my rendition) the chances for Brian to accept Keith's arguments are good. With David accepting Keith proposed edits in this mail, the way is paved for me clearing the DISC

[Gen-art] Re: Changed usage of 2833 event codes

2006-06-08 Thread Tom-PT Taylor
I'm adding the AVT WG to this message to get people's comments there. I've reset the subject line. In summary, Michael warns that we will live to regret reassigning some of the event codes. We should either retire the unused 2833 event codes permanently or at least make them the last to be reas

Re: [Gen-art] Re: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib (fwd)

2006-06-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Thanks. That is very clear and I can clear my discuss. Brian Keith McCloghrie wrote: FYI. Keith. --- Forwarded message: From: Keith McCloghrie Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Carpenter) Date: Thu, 8

[Gen-art] Re: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib (fwd)

2006-06-08 Thread Keith McCloghrie
FYI. Keith. --- Forwarded message: > From: Keith McCloghrie > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Carpenter) > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:30:35 -0700 (PDT) > Cc: iesg@ietf.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECT

RE: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)
Just for clarification, Mike Heard is the author of RFC 4181 which is the reference document for MIB Doctor reviews. The MIB Doctors team is providing 'public service' with reviews to the IETF communities, MIB Doctors and Gen-Art are on the same side on this issue. Mike had a great contribution wit

RE: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Gray, Eric
Completely agree with Michael, no humility about it. As usual authors are certainly allowed to ignore comments with import that is not consistent with their expert knowledge. We do provide a pointer to a FAQ that explains why we are doing a review, and it's alright if you haven't read that. :-

Re: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Spencer Dawkins
I do that selectively, not systematically, since what goes in the tracker as *my* comment needs to be something I will stand behind. And sometimes (not referring to this case or reviewer in particular) I decide that the Gen-ART comments aren't of enough concern to be put in the tracker. My choice,

[Gen-art] Re: Genart review of draft-ietf-radext-dynauth-server-mib-05 / draft-ietf-radext-dynauth-client-mib-05

2006-06-08 Thread stefaan . de_cnodder
Hi Ron, Thanks for the review, see below for some answers Ron Bonica wrote: I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for: draft-ietf-radext-dynauth-server-mib-05 -and- draft-ietf-radext-dynauth-client-mib-05 For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/

RE: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)
I agree. Dan > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:40 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > gen-art@ietf.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EM

RE: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Black_David
> I actually think the comments from David > Harrington are more critical. Mine takes just a simple decision, his > comments are more far-reaching thus harder to evaluate and entail a > more substantial change if accepted. > > -MAP > > P.S. This is on _today's_ agenda, right? Apparently

Re: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Yes, GEN-ART reviewers are expected to be generalists and looking for issues on the basis of general knowledge and common sense. They aren't supposed to be doing the job of specialist reviewers, but of course there can be issues on the borderline. No blame, no shame, please. Brian Michael A.

Re: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: Michael, I am leaving to the authors of the document to answer your question first. It also would be useful for the Gen-Art review to be included in the tracker as a DISCUSS or COMMENT. Brian, do you intent to do it? I do that selectively, not systematically, si

Re: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Michael A. Patton
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:51:38 +0300 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It also would be useful for the Gen-Art review to be included in the tracker as a DISCUSS or COMMENT. Brian, do you intent to do it? GenART reviews are only advisory, it's up to Brian how to use the

RE: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)
Michael, I am leaving to the authors of the document to answer your question first. It also would be useful for the Gen-Art review to be included in the tracker as a DISCUSS or COMMENT. Brian, do you intent to do it? Dan > -Original Message- > From: Michael A. Patton [mailto:[EM

Re: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Michael A. Patton
If I understand your referenced message, it is only responding to one of my points, the minor comment about the wording of and classification of the references in Section 2. And you forwarded on to the MIB doctors because the referenced text is standard boilerplate. Well, if it's standard boilerp

Re: [Gen-art] RE: REVIEW: draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt

2006-06-08 Thread Michael A. Patton
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:31:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "C. M. Heard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In my humble opinion ANY group in the IETF that reviews MIB documents should be obliged to follow RFC 4181/BCP 111. In my humble opinion, it is completely unreasonable to expect GenART members to be int