Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-20 Thread Hui Deng
And you talked about Stuart Cheshire described a couple of IETFs ago, Could you help to point out the link? Sadly, I don't have it, but I suspect Stuart does, and I'm pretty sure he's reading this. Thanks, let's see whether he is going to talk here. The gist of what he was saying is that if

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-19 Thread Hui Deng
Hi, Ted, Excuse me for my late comment, I try to catch this thread. For the case of the device has two interfaces which originate query. Your suggestion looks quite interesting: try every plausible way. I guess this is interesting topic in MIF future work. And you talked about Stuart Cheshire

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-19 Thread Ted Lemon
On Apr 19, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Hui Deng wrote: And you talked about Stuart Cheshire described a couple of IETFs ago, Could you help to point out the link? Sadly, I don't have it, but I suspect Stuart does, and I'm pretty sure he's reading this. The gist of what he was saying is that if you

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-18 Thread Jari Arkko
I would be in favor of stating explicitly that this issue is outside the scope of the specification at hand. Jari ___ Gen-art mailing list Gen-art@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-15 Thread Scott Brim
Excerpts from Ted Lemon on Tue, Apr 14, 2009 02:48:06PM -0700: I don't mean to minimize this issue - if in fact there is some future real-world scenario where this would be a serious problem, it would be good if we could anticipate it. I'm just saying the WG should make an explicit

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-15 Thread Bernie Volz (volz)
- From: Scott Brim [mailto:s...@employees.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:52 PM To: Ted Lemon Cc: Ralph Droms (rdroms); Bernie Volz (volz); dhc WG; gen-art@ietf.org; black_da...@emc.com; i...@ietf.org; mif Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00 Excerpts from

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-15 Thread Ted Lemon
On Apr 15, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Bernie Volz (volz) wrote: My vote would be no change. But, I'd be OK if Ralph wanted to state it is TBD and outside the scope of this document and perhaps indicate that it is an issue whether the RG gets options to pass on from either the container option or from

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-14 Thread Ralph Droms
Ted - I think it's just as likely for the RG to get different information from different interfaces (or different administrative domains) as it is for a host to get get different information directly. Traffic from the host, which is then forwarded by the RG to one of more than one

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-14 Thread Ted Lemon
On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: Now, I admit I'm describing a hypothetical and abstract scenario. I don't have a specific example of a situation in which a host might make decisions - either in the stack or in an application or ??? - about outbound traffic based on knowledge of

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-13 Thread Ralph Droms
Hui - I think there is an issue for hosts with multiple interfaces triggered by Scott's comments about the container option: even if a host is physically aware that it has multiple interfaces, how does it take the characteristics of the networks behind those interfaces into account when it

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-13 Thread Ralph Droms
Mike - Can you give a little more detail? I'm not sure I see how the RFC 3046 options - passed between a relay agent and a server - would interact with the container option. BTW, please feel free to join the conversation at any time. The SF meeting marked the 20th year anniversary of the

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-13 Thread Hui Deng
Hi, Ralph, I agree what you said here, Scott raised the possible issue how to differentiate the source. One instant thinking about the two different 802.11 interface is that the principal source policy selection will not be able to tell the diffference, we could allow high level policy to

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-13 Thread Bernie Volz (volz)
, April 10, 2009 3:26 PM To: Scott Brim Cc: dhc WG; gen-art@ietf.org; black_da...@emc.com; i...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00 Scott raises an interesting point about identifying the source of options when delivered to clients. BTW, Scott - what

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-13 Thread Ted Lemon
How realistic is it anyway that an RG would get different *relevant* options on its different interfaces? This would seem to me to be an administrative error. Of course the broadcast address and subnet mask options might be different, but it doesn't make sense to send the RG, e.g.,

Re: [Gen-art] [dhcwg] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dhc-container-00

2009-04-12 Thread Hui Deng
Hi, Scott, Based on the current MIF charter proposal, it consider only host. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mif/current/msg00367.html I am wondering whether RG is a kind of host? Anyhow, this discussion benefit MIF for the future consideration how to identify the source. Many thanks -Hui