[Gendergap] what keeps women out of tech ...

2015-10-13 Thread rupert THURNER
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/what-really-keeps-women-out-of-tech.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0 "As a woman who earned a bachelor of science degree in physics in the 1970s but left the field because I felt I didn’t belong, I have long been interested, and focus here, on women in scien

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-08 Thread rupert THURNER
y. sarah sharp tried to make a rule "do not curse or go away". as linus torvalds curses from time to time it is not rocket science to understand that rule as: (1) linus please change and do not curse, or (2) linus please leave the community if you cannot stop cursing. >>>

Re: [Gendergap] Linux's culture problem

2015-10-07 Thread rupert THURNER
to let wikipedia NPOV also have a word, here what linus torvalds thought about it two years ago: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=137392506516022&w=2 in a summary, torvalds argues that sarah sharp should accept that people are different and act different, she should not try to change linus tor

[Gendergap] address the source of anger

2015-10-06 Thread rupert THURNER
falls in the "anger" category. many examples i saw up to now were caused by some sort of ignorance, on purpose or without knowing. best, rupert -- Forwarded message ------ From: rupert THURNER Date: Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finall

Re: [Gendergap] Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work

2015-10-05 Thread rupert THURNER
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote: > > > On 10/4/2015 5:59 AM, Robert Williams wrote: >> >> Well, what I'd like to say is that some of these arguments do make >> sense. While men shouldn't get over-sensitive over perceived >> "harassment" of them, neither should women just whine

[Gendergap] Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work

2015-10-02 Thread rupert THURNER
the daily telegraph published an article with title "Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work": http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/11904203/Well-done-feminism.-Now-man-are-afraid-to-help-women-at-work.html and linked to one with title "why powerful men now hide behin

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread rupert THURNER
m with enough information to get a warrant if it's needed (e.g., > IP addresses, links to the threat itself - which will normally have been > suppressed, etc). And it is rare for police to take email threats > seriously - Gamergate should be enough of an example there. > > Risker/Ann

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread rupert THURNER
risker you are joking? a death threat is a case for the police not for the wikimedia foundation. wikimedia foundation is not a para-military or para-police organization replacing standard legal systems, the wikimedia community is also not a community outside other legal systems, with special rules

Re: [Gendergap] FW: [Social-media] Blog post: Meet some of the women who contribute to Wikipedia

2015-03-06 Thread rupert THURNER
On Mar 7, 2015 1:36 AM, "Pine W" wrote: > Forwarding to the Gendergap list in case others are interested, and > forwarding to Jason and Peaceray in case they want to share this blog post > at the Art and Feminism event in Portland, Oregon (Cascadia territory!) > this weekend. > > Cheers, > > Pine

Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)

2014-07-04 Thread rupert THURNER
do you know women outside the north american culture, i.e. US and CA, affected by this? rupert Am 03.07.2014 21:13 schrieb "Leigh Honeywell" : > Even if it is an en-wiki only issue, it's having a clear impact on > editor retention and therefore the long-term sustainability of the > project. I th

Re: [Gendergap] WMF employee editing

2014-06-30 Thread rupert THURNER
hi, an interesting discussion. what do you mean by "dedicated time"? but it might as well be that working for the foundation is a regular paid job. becoming a volunteer editor out of a paid job is of course possible as sue gardner showed. but i think it is something not very typical. if wmf wants t

Re: [Gendergap] German Wikipedia: straw poll against woman rights

2014-02-02 Thread rupert THURNER
hi, actually there were two questions. one was if a vote about the topic (have a rule for gender-something in articles) makes sense. a 3:1 majority says: no. the main reason is "do not patronise the autor." and the second question was if people do support the proposal or not. the proposed rule its

Re: [Gendergap] How Collective Power can be abused on Wikimedia Projects

2013-02-03 Thread rupert THURNER
hi shlomi, what you are doing here might be perceived as having a conflict of interest and/or doing self promotion. you wrote a solver for black hole solitaire. then you create a wikipedia article about black hole solitaire, mentioning your name and your software in it, as well linking to your so

Re: [Gendergap] wiki-post-it increases female participation, and replaces image filter?

2011-11-28 Thread rupert THURNER
idea has basically been > shot down. It also sounds like the user of the post-it note would have to > view the image to place the post-it on top of the image, so I'm not too > sure what the benefit would be. > > -Sarah > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Bjoern Hoehr

[Gendergap] wiki-post-it increases female participation, and replaces image filter?

2011-11-27 Thread rupert THURNER
hi, a collegue made me stumble upon a german user page with a couple of interesting notes concerning wikimedia participation: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer:DrJunge&oldid=96427767 there is quite a lot of statements why the author thinks the current wmf and wmde suggestions for

Re: [Gendergap] As I was passing through...

2011-06-23 Thread rupert THURNER
hahaha, charlotte, i really like your attitude and passion! let me give a completely different example where i fell into a similar trap. at that time, when i was young, stupid and idealistic at that time, it bothered me a little that articles contained miles, foot and inches. so i started to

Re: [Gendergap] Nine Reasons Women Don't Edit Wikipedia

2011-02-20 Thread rupert THURNER
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 20:04, Sue Gardner wrote: > Hey folks, > > I did a superfast compilation of online comments by women talking > about why they don't edit Wikipedia: > > http://suegardner.org/2011/02/19/nine-reasons-why-women-dont-edit-wikipedia-in-their-own-words/ > > A couple of things st