Regarding the article (well done and interesting, thank you), there was a mention of the authors tracking "if the target was still contributing to English Wikipedia following the threat" but I didn't spot the followup in the article for any results to that .... Did someone else? Were actual stats reported?
Also, what seems like a related question, but again, was it brought up or did I miss it: if productivity is presented as an argument for accepting bad behavior, has anyone actually done any statistical correlation or tracking of content productivity of people who've used abusive terminology as compared to those who don't? Thanks, Mary On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:00 AM, <gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to > gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gendergap-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Gendergap digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while female (Netha Hussain) > 2. Re: [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while female > (Ryan Kaldari) > 3. Re: [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while female (Risker) > 4. Mention of Wikipedia data base in PBS article (Carol Moore dc) > 5. Re: [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while female > (Kevin Gorman) > 6. Re: [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while female (Risker) > 7. Re: [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while female > (Kevin Gorman) > 8. Re: [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while female (Risker) > 9. Re: [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while female > (Kevin Gorman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 23:13:29 +0530 > From: Netha Hussain <nethahuss...@gmail.com> > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: [Gendergap] [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while > female > Message-ID: > <CACP3XfrkDiWyiqZbiXZYEbwW06cjvVSUs5uY5aStukm-= > db...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear all, > > I found an interesting research done by Laura Hale about "Communicating on > Wikipedia while female : A discursive analysis of the use of the word cunt > on English Wikipedia user talk pages" on meta wiki. The link to the > research page is here: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > > Regards > Netha > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Laura Hale <la...@fanhistory.com> > Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:57 PM > Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Communicating on Wikipedia while female > To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities < > wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > Hey, > > I posted some new research to meta at > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > . It is titled: Communicating on Wikipedia while female A discursive > analysis of the use of the word cunt on English Wikipedia user talk pages. > Thought it might be of some interest to people on this list. > > Sincerely, > Laura Hale > > -- > twitter: purplepopple > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > > > -- > Netha Hussain > Student of Medicine and Surgery > Govt. Medical College, Kozhikode > Blogs : > *nethahussain.blogspot.com > <http://nethahussain.blogspot.com>swethaambari.wordpress.com > <http://swethaambari.wordpress.com>* > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141121/144c703d/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:55:52 -0800 > From: Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while > female > Message-ID: > <CACT3B= > vred0px3rfp45ofdvg9y57xgwuyeboc5gkwv9ufjf...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > A very interesting study, and rather depressing. I love that I'm cited as a > "radical feminist" though :) > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Netha Hussain <nethahuss...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > I found an interesting research done by Laura Hale about "Communicating > > on Wikipedia while female : A discursive analysis of the use of the word > > cunt on English Wikipedia user talk pages" on meta wiki. The link to the > > research page is here: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > > > > Regards > > Netha > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Laura Hale <la...@fanhistory.com> > > Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:57 PM > > Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Communicating on Wikipedia while female > > To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities < > > wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > > > Hey, > > > > I posted some new research to meta at > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > > . It is titled: Communicating on Wikipedia while female A discursive > > analysis of the use of the word cunt on English Wikipedia user talk > pages. > > Thought it might be of some interest to people on this list. > > > > Sincerely, > > Laura Hale > > > > -- > > twitter: purplepopple > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki-research-l mailing list > > wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Netha Hussain > > Student of Medicine and Surgery > > Govt. Medical College, Kozhikode > > Blogs : > > *nethahussain.blogspot.com > > <http://nethahussain.blogspot.com>swethaambari.wordpress.com > > <http://swethaambari.wordpress.com>* > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141121/247870e4/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:33:18 -0500 > From: Risker <risker...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while > female > Message-ID: > < > capxs8ytkx3jm6ddo-dhdcsuubg_hapvz+vove7oyl1nrggt...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I also find it very interesting. > > I have, however, asked Laura to redact the identifying information of one > of the editors whose actions are incorporated into this research. Research > rarely includes publishing identifying information about specific > individuals, particularly without the direct permission of those > individuals. Regardless of what any of us think of the specific editor who > is named, it behooves us all to act as we would expect to be treated - and > I'd be pretty ticked if someone published research that included examples > that identified me by name. > > Risker/Anne > > On 21 November 2014 14:55, Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > A very interesting study, and rather depressing. I love that I'm cited as > > a "radical feminist" though :) > > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Netha Hussain <nethahuss...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Dear all, > >> > >> I found an interesting research done by Laura Hale about "Communicating > >> on Wikipedia while female : A discursive analysis of the use of the word > >> cunt on English Wikipedia user talk pages" on meta wiki. The link to the > >> research page is here: > >> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > >> > >> Regards > >> Netha > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Laura Hale <la...@fanhistory.com> > >> Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:57 PM > >> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Communicating on Wikipedia while female > >> To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities < > >> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org> > >> > >> > >> Hey, > >> > >> I posted some new research to meta at > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > >> . It is titled: Communicating on Wikipedia while female A discursive > >> analysis of the use of the word cunt on English Wikipedia user talk > pages. > >> Thought it might be of some interest to people on this list. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> Laura Hale > >> > >> -- > >> twitter: purplepopple > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wiki-research-l mailing list > >> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Netha Hussain > >> Student of Medicine and Surgery > >> Govt. Medical College, Kozhikode > >> Blogs : > >> *nethahussain.blogspot.com > >> <http://nethahussain.blogspot.com>swethaambari.wordpress.com > >> <http://swethaambari.wordpress.com>* > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141121/8b66b460/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:37:47 -0500 > From: Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net> > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Gendergap] Mention of Wikipedia data base in PBS article > Message-ID: <546fa29b.30...@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > Mostly technical article. For those interested in this topic: > > http://www.pbs.org/idealab/2014/11/how-to-ethically-and-responsibly-identify-gender-in-large-datasets/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141121/f50e49dd/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 12:59:36 -0800 > From: Kevin Gorman <kgor...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while > female > Message-ID: > <CAJJA524zWC0=+ > 44xuee51n1ydye0nkugjnv51gnynyu4p7r...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Honestly, I don't see a giant problem with identifying the person in > question by name (and also find the research rather interesting.) Eric > hasn't indicated that he regrets using the term, and has pretty robustly > defended using it (going as far back as at least 2012: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eric_Corbett/Statement - and he is very > easily linked via Google to his statements and general use of the word. > Realistically any research posted on meta will be primarily consumed by > Wikimedians, and the current GGTF arb case is quite high profile. Although > it's not incredibly common to name people in research without their > explicit consent, it's quite common in journalism - I've had full comments > of mine quoted by name in prominent media outlets going back years, with me > often only finding out after someone pointed them out to me (and happening > way before I did any voluntary media outreach.) > > ----- > Kevin Gorman > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I also find it very interesting. > > > > I have, however, asked Laura to redact the identifying information of one > > of the editors whose actions are incorporated into this research. > Research > > rarely includes publishing identifying information about specific > > individuals, particularly without the direct permission of those > > individuals. Regardless of what any of us think of the specific editor > who > > is named, it behooves us all to act as we would expect to be treated - > and > > I'd be pretty ticked if someone published research that included examples > > that identified me by name. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > On 21 November 2014 14:55, Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > >> A very interesting study, and rather depressing. I love that I'm cited > as > >> a "radical feminist" though :) > >> > >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Netha Hussain <nethahuss...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> I found an interesting research done by Laura Hale about > "Communicating > >>> on Wikipedia while female : A discursive analysis of the use of the > word > >>> cunt on English Wikipedia user talk pages" on meta wiki. The link to > the > >>> research page is here: > >>> > >>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Netha > >>> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>> From: Laura Hale <la...@fanhistory.com> > >>> Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:57 PM > >>> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Communicating on Wikipedia while female > >>> To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities < > >>> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hey, > >>> > >>> I posted some new research to meta at > >>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > >>> . It is titled: Communicating on Wikipedia while female A discursive > >>> analysis of the use of the word cunt on English Wikipedia user talk > pages. > >>> Thought it might be of some interest to people on this list. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> Laura Hale > >>> > >>> -- > >>> twitter: purplepopple > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list > >>> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Netha Hussain > >>> Student of Medicine and Surgery > >>> Govt. Medical College, Kozhikode > >>> Blogs : > >>> *nethahussain.blogspot.com > >>> <http://nethahussain.blogspot.com>swethaambari.wordpress.com > >>> <http://swethaambari.wordpress.com>* > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Gendergap mailing list > >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141121/1b9852d6/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:27:50 -0500 > From: Risker <risker...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while > female > Message-ID: > < > capxs8yt3gjnv4uy4gtcbibkwg+krh4uris+jc3fwq-dbkgj...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Well, then, that speaks more to the quality of the research if an entire > section is devoted to slagging a specific editor, and what you're > suggesting is that the research really should be interpreted as "we have > this one guy who keeps using this word, plus a rare occasional other editor > who uses it, and we're going to group all obscenities together and use it > to slag off the guy we're ticked off with". > > This isn't claimed to be journalism, it's claimed to be research, and it > needs to be held to a higher standard. The more I'm reading this, the more > I'm finding it problematic. > > Risker/Anne > > On 21 November 2014 15:59, Kevin Gorman <kgor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Honestly, I don't see a giant problem with identifying the person in > > question by name (and also find the research rather interesting.) Eric > > hasn't indicated that he regrets using the term, and has pretty robustly > > defended using it (going as far back as at least 2012: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eric_Corbett/Statement - and he is > > very easily linked via Google to his statements and general use of the > > word. Realistically any research posted on meta will be primarily > consumed > > by Wikimedians, and the current GGTF arb case is quite high profile. > > Although it's not incredibly common to name people in research without > > their explicit consent, it's quite common in journalism - I've had full > > comments of mine quoted by name in prominent media outlets going back > > years, with me often only finding out after someone pointed them out to > me > > (and happening way before I did any voluntary media outreach.) > > > > ----- > > Kevin Gorman > > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I also find it very interesting. > >> > >> I have, however, asked Laura to redact the identifying information of > one > >> of the editors whose actions are incorporated into this research. > Research > >> rarely includes publishing identifying information about specific > >> individuals, particularly without the direct permission of those > >> individuals. Regardless of what any of us think of the specific editor > who > >> is named, it behooves us all to act as we would expect to be treated - > and > >> I'd be pretty ticked if someone published research that included > examples > >> that identified me by name. > >> > >> Risker/Anne > >> > >> On 21 November 2014 14:55, Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> > >>> A very interesting study, and rather depressing. I love that I'm cited > >>> as a "radical feminist" though :) > >>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Netha Hussain <nethahuss...@gmail.com > > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Dear all, > >>>> > >>>> I found an interesting research done by Laura Hale about > >>>> "Communicating on Wikipedia while female : A discursive analysis of > the use > >>>> of the word cunt on English Wikipedia user talk pages" on meta wiki. > The > >>>> link to the research page is here: > >>>> > >>>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> Netha > >>>> > >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>>> From: Laura Hale <la...@fanhistory.com> > >>>> Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:57 PM > >>>> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Communicating on Wikipedia while female > >>>> To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities < > >>>> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hey, > >>>> > >>>> I posted some new research to meta at > >>>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > >>>> . It is titled: Communicating on Wikipedia while female A discursive > >>>> analysis of the use of the word cunt on English Wikipedia user talk > pages. > >>>> Thought it might be of some interest to people on this list. > >>>> > >>>> Sincerely, > >>>> Laura Hale > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> twitter: purplepopple > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list > >>>> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Netha Hussain > >>>> Student of Medicine and Surgery > >>>> Govt. Medical College, Kozhikode > >>>> Blogs : > >>>> *nethahussain.blogspot.com > >>>> <http://nethahussain.blogspot.com>swethaambari.wordpress.com > >>>> <http://swethaambari.wordpress.com>* > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Gendergap mailing list > >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Gendergap mailing list > >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141121/9e363deb/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:41:07 -0800 > From: Kevin Gorman <kgor...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: Laura Hale <la...@fanhistory.com> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while > female > Message-ID: > <CAJJA524SMFrCGCg-XcbmcHyT=TELwkEMvo3ZpFE= > 7v2kxar...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I don't think it's at all fair to characterize the section as an attempt to > rail on Eric. He just happens to have been at the center of the most > recent high profile controversy about the word - which means that quoting > recent defenses of the use of the word as an insult will naturally mean > mostly quoting defenses of him. I've gone ahead and CC'ed Laura on this > thread, since she's not on gendergap-l. > > ---- > Kevin Gorman > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well, then, that speaks more to the quality of the research if an entire > > section is devoted to slagging a specific editor, and what you're > > suggesting is that the research really should be interpreted as "we have > > this one guy who keeps using this word, plus a rare occasional other > editor > > who uses it, and we're going to group all obscenities together and use it > > to slag off the guy we're ticked off with". > > > > This isn't claimed to be journalism, it's claimed to be research, and it > > needs to be held to a higher standard. The more I'm reading this, the > more > > I'm finding it problematic. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > On 21 November 2014 15:59, Kevin Gorman <kgor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Honestly, I don't see a giant problem with identifying the person in > >> question by name (and also find the research rather interesting.) Eric > >> hasn't indicated that he regrets using the term, and has pretty robustly > >> defended using it (going as far back as at least 2012: > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eric_Corbett/Statement - and he is > >> very easily linked via Google to his statements and general use of the > >> word. Realistically any research posted on meta will be primarily > consumed > >> by Wikimedians, and the current GGTF arb case is quite high profile. > >> Although it's not incredibly common to name people in research without > >> their explicit consent, it's quite common in journalism - I've had full > >> comments of mine quoted by name in prominent media outlets going back > >> years, with me often only finding out after someone pointed them out to > me > >> (and happening way before I did any voluntary media outreach.) > >> > >> ----- > >> Kevin Gorman > >> > >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I also find it very interesting. > >>> > >>> I have, however, asked Laura to redact the identifying information of > >>> one of the editors whose actions are incorporated into this > >>> research. Research rarely includes publishing identifying information > about > >>> specific individuals, particularly without the direct permission of > those > >>> individuals. Regardless of what any of us think of the specific > editor who > >>> is named, it behooves us all to act as we would expect to be treated - > and > >>> I'd be pretty ticked if someone published research that included > examples > >>> that identified me by name. > >>> > >>> Risker/Anne > >>> > >>> On 21 November 2014 14:55, Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> A very interesting study, and rather depressing. I love that I'm cited > >>>> as a "radical feminist" though :) > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Netha Hussain < > nethahuss...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Dear all, > >>>>> > >>>>> I found an interesting research done by Laura Hale about > >>>>> "Communicating on Wikipedia while female : A discursive analysis of > the use > >>>>> of the word cunt on English Wikipedia user talk pages" on meta wiki. > The > >>>>> link to the research page is here: > >>>>> > >>>>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> Netha > >>>>> > >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>>>> From: Laura Hale <la...@fanhistory.com> > >>>>> Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:57 PM > >>>>> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Communicating on Wikipedia while female > >>>>> To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities < > >>>>> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hey, > >>>>> > >>>>> I posted some new research to meta at > >>>>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > >>>>> . It is titled: Communicating on Wikipedia while female A discursive > >>>>> analysis of the use of the word cunt on English Wikipedia user talk > pages. > >>>>> Thought it might be of some interest to people on this list. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> Laura Hale > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> twitter: purplepopple > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list > >>>>> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Netha Hussain > >>>>> Student of Medicine and Surgery > >>>>> Govt. Medical College, Kozhikode > >>>>> Blogs : > >>>>> *nethahussain.blogspot.com > >>>>> <http://nethahussain.blogspot.com>swethaambari.wordpress.com > >>>>> <http://swethaambari.wordpress.com>* > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Gendergap mailing list > >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Gendergap mailing list > >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Gendergap mailing list > >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141121/60a8cacf/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:49:59 -0500 > From: Risker <risker...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while > female > Message-ID: > <CAPXs8yRcUF-g1RbgqiqY=eC8z4Q4nQHqBaAxf7s0fugqRNvt= > a...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Fair enough. I was aware that Laura isn't on this list so I have been > posting on Meta, which to me is the most appropriate place to critique the > study. > > Frankly, most of it has little to do with "editing while female" since much > of the scatological language being referred to is gender neutral. > > Risker/Anne > > On 21 November 2014 16:41, Kevin Gorman <kgor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I don't think it's at all fair to characterize the section as an attempt > > to rail on Eric. He just happens to have been at the center of the most > > recent high profile controversy about the word - which means that quoting > > recent defenses of the use of the word as an insult will naturally mean > > mostly quoting defenses of him. I've gone ahead and CC'ed Laura on this > > thread, since she's not on gendergap-l. > > > > ---- > > Kevin Gorman > > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Well, then, that speaks more to the quality of the research if an entire > >> section is devoted to slagging a specific editor, and what you're > >> suggesting is that the research really should be interpreted as "we have > >> this one guy who keeps using this word, plus a rare occasional other > editor > >> who uses it, and we're going to group all obscenities together and use > it > >> to slag off the guy we're ticked off with". > >> > >> This isn't claimed to be journalism, it's claimed to be research, and it > >> needs to be held to a higher standard. The more I'm reading this, the > more > >> I'm finding it problematic. > >> > >> Risker/Anne > >> > >> On 21 November 2014 15:59, Kevin Gorman <kgor...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Honestly, I don't see a giant problem with identifying the person in > >>> question by name (and also find the research rather interesting.) Eric > >>> hasn't indicated that he regrets using the term, and has pretty > robustly > >>> defended using it (going as far back as at least 2012: > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eric_Corbett/Statement - and he is > >>> very easily linked via Google to his statements and general use of the > >>> word. Realistically any research posted on meta will be primarily > consumed > >>> by Wikimedians, and the current GGTF arb case is quite high profile. > >>> Although it's not incredibly common to name people in research without > >>> their explicit consent, it's quite common in journalism - I've had full > >>> comments of mine quoted by name in prominent media outlets going back > >>> years, with me often only finding out after someone pointed them out > to me > >>> (and happening way before I did any voluntary media outreach.) > >>> > >>> ----- > >>> Kevin Gorman > >>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I also find it very interesting. > >>>> > >>>> I have, however, asked Laura to redact the identifying information of > >>>> one of the editors whose actions are incorporated into this > >>>> research. Research rarely includes publishing identifying information > about > >>>> specific individuals, particularly without the direct permission of > those > >>>> individuals. Regardless of what any of us think of the specific > editor who > >>>> is named, it behooves us all to act as we would expect to be treated > - and > >>>> I'd be pretty ticked if someone published research that included > examples > >>>> that identified me by name. > >>>> > >>>> Risker/Anne > >>>> > >>>> On 21 November 2014 14:55, Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> A very interesting study, and rather depressing. I love that I'm > cited > >>>>> as a "radical feminist" though :) > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Netha Hussain < > nethahuss...@gmail.com > >>>>> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Dear all, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I found an interesting research done by Laura Hale about > >>>>>> "Communicating on Wikipedia while female : A discursive analysis of > the use > >>>>>> of the word cunt on English Wikipedia user talk pages" on meta > wiki. The > >>>>>> link to the research page is here: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards > >>>>>> Netha > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>>>>> From: Laura Hale <la...@fanhistory.com> > >>>>>> Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:57 PM > >>>>>> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Communicating on Wikipedia while female > >>>>>> To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities < > >>>>>> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hey, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I posted some new research to meta at > >>>>>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Communicating_on_Wikipedia_while_female > >>>>>> . It is titled: Communicating on Wikipedia while female A > discursive > >>>>>> analysis of the use of the word cunt on English Wikipedia user talk > pages. > >>>>>> Thought it might be of some interest to people on this list. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>> Laura Hale > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> twitter: purplepopple > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list > >>>>>> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Netha Hussain > >>>>>> Student of Medicine and Surgery > >>>>>> Govt. Medical College, Kozhikode > >>>>>> Blogs : > >>>>>> *nethahussain.blogspot.com > >>>>>> <http://nethahussain.blogspot.com>swethaambari.wordpress.com > >>>>>> <http://swethaambari.wordpress.com>* > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Gendergap mailing list > >>>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Gendergap mailing list > >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Gendergap mailing list > >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Gendergap mailing list > >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141121/c1c81079/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 14:35:09 -0800 > From: Kevin Gorman <kgor...@gmail.com> > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Research] Communicating on Wikipedia while > female > Message-ID: > <CAJJA525-8d9VkBZfKauH7PjBebcSHruPwL80= > t_hq_7gwwl...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi all - > > I can't tell if Romana's recent message was accidentally allowed to go out > to the whole list or not; apologies if it was, I will be removing him from > the list momentarily. > > Best, > Kevin Gorman > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141121/6cd5fad6/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > End of Gendergap Digest, Vol 46, Issue 12 > ***************************************** >
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