Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-11 Thread Sarah Stierch
> > Use by doctors of Wikipedia is massive with 50% using it at least > occasionally and 5% editing. > > If that's a fact...then just another area of outreach we need to tap into! -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for the Wikimedia Foundation Wikipedian-in-R

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-11 Thread Fred Bauder
> Sydney - > > I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that Sue is referring to best practices > in > regards to medical encyclopedia entries...and the type of images, where > they > are placed in articles, and such? > > I do think it'd be GREAT to have the input of medical professionals. I'm > starting

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-11 Thread Sarah Stierch
Sydney - I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that Sue is referring to best practices in regards to medical encyclopedia entries...and the type of images, where they are placed in articles, and such? I do think it'd be GREAT to have the input of medical professionals. I'm starting to notice that the

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-11 Thread Sydney Poore
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > It seems to me that if we had access to the kinds of best practices or > guiding principles used in the medical profession, that might give us > some guidance for how to select images that are optimally neutral for > educational purposes. Becau

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-07 Thread Sue Gardner
On 6 September 2011 00:04, Arnaud HERVE wrote: > I think that for medical articles, all the relevant body parts must be > fully exposed. And believe me I have seen much worse than a healthy > pregnant woman, because i do website editing for a faculty of medicine. > > In that case the part to be ex

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-07 Thread Sydney Poore
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 19:27, wrote: > >> Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise > >> and > >> get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss > >> whether the 19 year old or 60 year old bre

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-07 Thread Sydney Poore
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Sarah wrote: > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 19:27, wrote: > > Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise and > > get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss > > whether the 19 year old or 60 year old breast/nude/buttock

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-07 Thread Sydney Poore
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:27 PM, wrote: > On 9/6/2011 5:18 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > > I have to say that viewing pregnancy as a "medical article" seems to be > > a rather male point of view :) I also find it telling that maternity > > clothing isn't even mentioned in the article (but I guess that

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 01:33, Daniel and Elizabeth Case wrote: > Do we have an article on that women's club somewhere in England that, one > year, put out their annual calendar showing them going about their regular > club activities (gardening, tea, etc.) nude? IIRC, they were all in their > fift

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
> It's actually a serious point, though. It would be great to provide > images for those articles that don't portray women the way certain men > want to see them portrayed. I recall the Body Shop did that a couple > of decades ago -- started using images of women that fell outside the > usual range

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread carolmooredc
If someone wants to beat me to the punch, go for it. Hmmm, I know some feminist photographers In fact, a few of us probably do. What better consciousness raiser than a fact (or photo) on the ground that they then have to deal with?? On 9/6/2011 9:51 PM, Sarah wrote: > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread Sarah
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 20:08, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 19:27,   wrote: >>> Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise >>> and >>> get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss >>> whether the 19 year old or 60 year old breast/nude/

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread Fred Bauder
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 19:27, wrote: >> Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise >> and >> get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss >> whether the 19 year old or 60 year old breast/nude/buttock etc. is more >> appropriate for an article. >>

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > Daniel, I totally <3 your use of denial and hostile work environment. > > Chiming in right now. Been following it since it was posted on WP:Feminism > and was sickened by the conversation, so had to move on.. > > -Sarah > > > Daniel pointed to

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread Sarah
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 19:27, wrote: > Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise and > get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss > whether the 19 year old or 60 year old breast/nude/buttock etc. is more > appropriate for an article. > > Hope tha

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread carolmooredc
On 9/6/2011 5:18 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > I have to say that viewing pregnancy as a "medical article" seems to be > a rather male point of view :) I also find it telling that maternity > clothing isn't even mentioned in the article (but I guess that makes > sense if pregnant women don't wear cloth

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread Ryan Kaldari
I have to say that viewing pregnancy as a "medical article" seems to be a rather male point of view :) I also find it telling that maternity clothing isn't even mentioned in the article (but I guess that makes sense if pregnant women don't wear clothes). Ryan Kaldari On 9/6/11 12:04 AM, Arnaud

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC and the lack of junk in articles

2011-09-06 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
Sarah: I was trying to think of an example of something that might be relevant to men. I looked at the [[vasectomy]] article and was happy to see that there was a medical drawing of a groin, and not someone's privates at the first image (aguug), but, you scroll down a bit and there it is, bu

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC and the lack of junk in articles

2011-09-06 Thread Sarah Stierch
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Arnaud HERVE wrote: > > very casual instead. Might be my European education, I don't know. > Possibly :) I consider myself a very sex-positive person, but, I also know when political correctness and "forcing" people to view nudity is inappropriate. In this matter,

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread Sarah Stierch
> > Can anybody confirm that there have already been invasions of "authors" > contributing uniquely to post photos of their personal lives ? > > Wikimedia Commons frequently gets image uploads of personal content on a daily basis. Commons is NOT a web host for personal images ( http://commons.wikim

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread Arnaud HERVE
On 06/09/2011 11:10, Laura Hale wrote: > > From a women's sport perspective, we could really, really use some > images featuring women's sport and encouraging people to post images > of their friends and family to demonstrate certain things feels wholly > appropriate. Ah yes, when there is a la

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread Laura Hale
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Arnaud HERVE wrote: > > > What I find much more disturbing is WP being used to publish pictures of > the photographer's wife. Even if he is very proud of her. It might be an > unwanted precedent, first of people posting pictures of their children > to show blond ha

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-06 Thread Arnaud HERVE
Intuitively I was not shocked by the nude pregnant woman. I found it very casual instead. Might be my European education, I don't know. I think that for medical articles, all the relevant body parts must be fully exposed. And believe me I have seen much worse than a healthy pregnant woman, beca

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-05 Thread Sarah Stierch
Daniel, I totally <3 your use of denial and hostile work environment. Chiming in right now. Been following it since it was posted on WP:Feminism and was sickened by the conversation, so had to move on.. -Sarah On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case < danc...@frontiernet.net> w

[Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

2011-09-05 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
An RfC has been opened on the continued use of the photo of a nude pregnant woman as the lead image at [[Pregnancy]], remarked upon here recently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pregnancy#Lead_image_RfC I found the response by HiLo48 to my !vote (where I raised the to-me relevant issue that