Re: [Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

On 10/25/2013 7:35 PM, Risker wrote: It's controversial because there are women who assumed a male role, but were definitely women in their personal life. So your definition there would be to assign them the male gender but the female sex. And I disagreewhat's being assigned there is sex,

Re: [Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

talk to other lists about sex-issue. On 10/25/2013 12:56 PM, Klein,Max wrote: > Well when Markus released his research on-list, I applauded his > innovative methods and techniques. I also wanted to remind that > forcing this binary or trinary classification onto people is not > someth

Re: [Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

We do need to be able to separately note sex, gender [expression], and gender identity. I agree with Filceolaire's suggestion that these can all be different qualifiers for a single datatype. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Person#Gender_identity Perhaps that datatype sho

Re: [Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

Apart from the discussion on the P21 property's talk page, there is currently a proposal on Wikidata to create a 'gender identity' property. Gobonobo On 10/25/2013 06:35 PM, Risker wrote: It's controversial becau

Re: [Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

It's controversial because there are women who assumed a male role, but were definitely women in their personal life. So your definition there would be to assign them the male gender but the female sex. And I disagreewhat's being assigned there is sex, not gender. Risker On 25 October 2013

Re: [Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

The attribute that is being assigned by property 21 on Wikidata (as it is actually being used) is not sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity. It is simply gender, and should be labeled as such. For the majority of people, we don't actually know for sure what their sex, sexual orientation, or g

Re: [Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

I remember seeing something about this on Wikidata and just not having enough hours in the day to comment at the time. There are three issues being intermingled here: *Sex, which is a biological marker determined by primary and secondary sexual characteristics such as breasts, penises, uteruses,

Re: [Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

On 10/25/2013 12:56 PM, Klein,Max wrote: > Well when Markus released his research on-list, I applauded his > innovative methods and techniques. I also wanted to remind that > forcing this binary or trinary classification onto people is not > something that the software is making us do, but rather t

Re: [Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

By the way, I started a proposal to change 'sex' to 'gender' back in May: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P21#Rename_.28en.29_label_.27sex.27-.3E.27gender.27 But so far virtually no one has commented on it. Ryan Kaldari On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Hey Max

Re: [Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

Hey Max, The sex property at Wikidata definitely needs to be changed. This has nothing to do with the gender gap. The terminology is simply wrong. Let's continue this conversation at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P21. Ryan Kaldari On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Klein,Max wrote:

[Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

Hello Gendergappians, I was recently chatting on Wikidata-l about the model that exists on Wikidata for classifying sex [1]. If you didn't know of Wikidata, people are supposed to be classified as Male, Female, or Intersex. I once did some research on the composition Wikidtata given that class