== Report of Meeting 2023-09-21 ==

Present: Ed Gottsman, Raul Miller, and Bob Therriault

Full transcripts of this meeting are now available on the its wiki page. 
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki/Report_of_Meeting_2023-10-12

1) Bob reports that he did not do much on the wiki while on vacation, but is 
heartened to see the contributions that Cameron Chandoke has been making, 
particularly in the are of Modifier trains 
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Talk:Vocabulary/ModifierTrains.

2) Ed has been traveling as well, although he has been looking for a Linux box 
for testing. He is wondering if WSL2 is an acceptable testing venue for Linux 
on a Windows box. There was further investigations about ways to create User 
ID's to run J in a Linux sandbox. Raul feels that there are a lot of challenges 
in testing a UI application. This lead to questions to whether the J Wiki 
Viewer should be released for J9.5 as there are challenges J9.5's version of 
JQt with regard to isigraph. This may present issues with developing the viewer 
for new versions of JQt going forward. Bob mentioned that for Jig he uses an 
umbrella script to load different scripts based on the Users J version as there 
are challenges with tooltips with different versions of JQt.

3) Bob mentioned that he used the J Wiki Viewer very effectively to do research 
on Jose Mario Quintana's wicked toolkit 
https://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2017-October/049263.html for 
the podcast episode on Modifier Trains. There have been other reports of users 
expressing surprise at the depth of the Wiki through using the J Wiki Viewer.

4)A deeper discussion followed on whether the J Wiki Viewer should be supported 
for the J9.5 beta. Ed was concerned that users might be discouraged with their 
first impression if it was J9.4. The application is solid in J9.4, but J9.5 is 
shaky. Bob feels that as a beta it should be expected that there will be bugs 
and that information for beta users should be that if they are using the viewer 
in a production environment then the J9.4 version would be preferred.  
5)Ed has been doing updates to the wiki database every week instead of daily 
and wondered if this would be an issue as he is nearing the limits of free use 
of AWS. Bob felt that he is more concerned with historical information and uses 
the forums and the APL farm for breaking news, but that users should be 
informed about how current the information is used. Raul felt that a message on 
the UI regarding the last update and next update would be appropriate. Bob 
wondered if Jsoftware might be willing to pick up a minimal cost for AWS if the 
value of the J wiki view is worthwhile. Ed says that the primary benefit of the 
application is that its development keeps him sane.  
   For access to previous meeting reports 
https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki_Development

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