Re: Dedicated disk for operating system

2011-08-13 Thread Steve Loughran
On 10/08/2011 20:31, Brian Bockelman wrote: MTTF is a difficult number. Popular papers include: http://db.usenix.org/events/fast07/tech/schroeder/schroeder_html/index.html, http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf Ted is assuming a MTTF of 25kHours; I think that's overly pessimistic,

Re: Dedicated disk for operating system

2011-08-13 Thread Steve Loughran
On 11/08/2011 01:15, Rajiv Chittajallu wrote: Ted Dunning wrote on 08/10/11 at 10:40:30 -0700: To be specific, taking a 100 node x 10 disk x 2 TB configuration with drive MTBF of 1000 days, we should be seeing drive failures on average once per day. With 1G ethernet and 30MB/s/node dedicated

RE: Dedicated disk for operating system

2011-08-10 Thread Oded Rosen
Thanks, This is helpful -Original Message- From: Allen Wittenauer [mailto:a...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:50 PM To: general@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Dedicated disk for operating system On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:22 AM, Oded Rosen wrote: Hi, What is the best

RE: Dedicated disk for operating system

2011-08-10 Thread Evert Lammerts
A short, slightly off-topic question: Also note that in this configuration that one cannot take advantage of the keep the machine up at all costs features in newer Hadoop's, which require that root, swap, and the log area be mirrored to be truly effective. I'm not quite convinced that

Re: Dedicated disk for operating system

2011-08-10 Thread Scott Carey
On 8/10/11 7:56 AM, Evert Lammerts evert.lamme...@sara.nl wrote: A short, slightly off-topic question: Also note that in this configuration that one cannot take advantage of the keep the machine up at all costs features in newer Hadoop's, which require that root, swap, and the log

Re: Dedicated disk for operating system

2011-08-10 Thread Allen Wittenauer
On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:56 AM, Evert Lammerts wrote: A short, slightly off-topic question: Also note that in this configuration that one cannot take advantage of the keep the machine up at all costs features in newer Hadoop's, which require that root, swap, and the log area be mirrored

Re: Dedicated disk for operating system

2011-08-10 Thread Luke Lu
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Ted Dunning tdunn...@maprtech.com wrote: To be specific, taking a 100 node x 10 disk x 2 TB configuration with drive MTBF of 1000 days, we should be seeing drive failures on average once per day For a 10,000 node cluster, however, we should expect the

Re: Dedicated disk for operating system

2011-08-10 Thread Brian Bockelman
MTTF is a difficult number. Popular papers include: http://db.usenix.org/events/fast07/tech/schroeder/schroeder_html/index.html, http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf Ted is assuming a MTTF of 25kHours; I think that's overly pessimistic, although both papers indicate that MTTF is a

Re: Dedicated disk for operating system

2011-08-10 Thread Ted Dunning
Luke, Yes, I do have some data to back this up, but I think I mentioned that this was just the back of an envelope type computation. As such, it necessarily ignores a number of factors. Can you say what specifically it is that you object to? Is the analysis pessimistic or optimistic? Are you

Re: Dedicated disk for operating system

2011-08-10 Thread Rajiv Chittajallu
Ted Dunning wrote on 08/10/11 at 10:40:30 -0700: To be specific, taking a 100 node x 10 disk x 2 TB configuration with drive MTBF of 1000 days, we should be seeing drive failures on average once per day. With 1G ethernet and 30MB/s/node dedicated to re-replication, it will just over 10 minutes to