Re: Transaction Manager separation [was; [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project]

2006-02-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 05 February 2006 13:58, Dain Sundstrom wrote: > James in particular lead the effort to remove theses dependencies,   > because it bugged him that these services were "trapped" in Geronimo. Cool. Thanks for the clarification. I tried to use the TM from Geronimo some time ago, and it was

Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project

2006-02-04 Thread Dain Sundstrom
Niclas, Although at one time this was true of the transaction manager in Geronimo, we have done some very minor work to make this optional. I designed the Geronimo kernel and consider it a design flaw that the kernel becomes a dependency of the services it manages. This is something we

Re: [PROPOSAL] incubate OpenEJB as sub-projects of Geronimo

2006-02-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 03 February 2006 03:50, David Blevins wrote: > OpenEJB has been proposed as a subproject of Geronimo. See the > proposal here: I think this is a good idea. However, I would like to hear why OpenEJB was not part of Geronimo's incubation?? After all, it was one of the cornerstones to ge

Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project

2006-02-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 03 February 2006 23:53, James Strachan wrote: > The TM is in a single download-able jar all by itself; so you can > download only what you need. e.g. here's the latest snapshot of just > the transaction manager... IMHO, this is a vast exaggeration that is not entirely fair to make, and

Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?

2006-02-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
David Crossley wrote: ifficulty for Anakia. Today i will investigate. Hooray, i fixed it. We were using a 1.5-dev version of Velocity. Now back to the 1.4 release version. Whoa. The problem was velocity 1.5? - To unsubs

Re: Geronimo and Incubation

2006-02-04 Thread Leo Simons
Hi Aaron! On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 03:02:23PM -0500, Aaron Mulder wrote: > If you want to involve the community outside the various PMCs, then Heh. This ain't just open source, its open "just about everything". Of course I want the wider (developer) community involved...I'd hope everyone wants tha

Re: Help with commons web site, JIRA etc.

2006-02-04 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Hi, Dims, I have looked into https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/webservices/commons and find it puzzling for several reasons. First of all, I do find the expected directories "branches", and "tags". However, there's no directory "trunk"? Besides, I do find the expected "site" directory, but o

Re: Board reporting change for the Incubator

2006-02-04 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 2/4/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you, I think this lightens the load and increases oversite by the > incubator PMC itself. Yup. And, by the Directors too. =) > It would be nice to stagger these, such that they are due 2 weeks before > the board meeting to [EMAI

Re: Board reporting change for the Incubator

2006-02-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I don't think anyone has told the Incubator this (perhaps we have and I just missed it), but, at the last Board meeting, the Board discussed that the Incubator should divide its projects for reporting purposes and submit a sub-collection of podling reports each month rath

Board reporting change for the Incubator

2006-02-04 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
I don't think anyone has told the Incubator this (perhaps we have and I just missed it), but, at the last Board meeting, the Board discussed that the Incubator should divide its projects for reporting purposes and submit a sub-collection of podling reports each month rather than all podlings every

Re: Incubation vs. Donating Code to Existing Project

2006-02-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
In this case, if the Xerces folks don't want to take responsibility for creating the community / committment to the code, then they absolutely can ask for the code to undergo the full incubuation process. But if they choose instead to assume responsibility for the long term committment to this ac

Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project)

2006-02-04 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 2/3/06, David Jencks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems to me that depending where the code comes into Apache > different groups of people get to work on it from the start: > > -- incubator headed to top level project. IIUC basically any apache > committer including all the servicemix develo

Geronimo and Incubation

2006-02-04 Thread Leo Simons
Hi all, I'm afraid I don't have time for a drawn-out discussion about any of this, especially not a heated one, but a few people asked me to write this down anyway. This message is directed primarily at the Geronimo PMC. I've just reviewed the traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OFBiz - next steps

2006-02-04 Thread Leo Simons
Hi David, On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 02:04:03PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: > So, with the vote having passed, there are some things to do. I think > we need some guidance in terms of things to do and what steps can be run > in parallel. Sorry if some of this is obvious. As long as you make sure

Re: Incubation vs. Donating Code to Existing Project

2006-02-04 Thread Leo Simons
On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 10:43:45AM -0800, Andy Clark wrote: > /me removes Zimbra hat. > > For the past several years, I've wanted to donate my HTML > parser code built on Xerces-J to the Xerces project. It is > written using the Xerces Native Interface and provides HTML > parsing with XML APIs. >

Re: OFBiz - next steps

2006-02-04 Thread Martin van den Bemt
David N. Welton wrote: Hi, *) Cleaning up the code - they're in the process of cleaning up the code, getting rid of LGPL dependencies. This needs to happen prior to the code touching our subversion repositories, correct? Preferrably, though not a must. eg Roller has them.. Mvgr, Martin

Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project)

2006-02-04 Thread Matthieu Riou
Bill, I just want to clarify that we (myself and Chris Lim) were not against your contribution in Agila at all, we just wanted to make sure that the code remained open to others' code contributions as well. We wanted to keep the project open and collaborate with you without ditching the existing c

Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project

2006-02-04 Thread James Strachan
On 3 Feb 2006, at 16:47, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 2/3/06, James Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: community inside a single project with one overall aim (Geronimo for J2EE, ServiceMix for JBI, Jakarta Commons / WS Commons for utility code etc) than to have lots of smaller projects. Is Ser

OFBiz - next steps

2006-02-04 Thread David N. Welton
Hi, So, with the vote having passed, there are some things to do. I think we need some guidance in terms of things to do and what steps can be run in parallel. Sorry if some of this is obvious. *) IP clearance checklist - I need to make a copy of that in SVN here, /incubator/site-author/ip-clea

Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project

2006-02-04 Thread James Strachan
On 4 Feb 2006, at 01:38, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: I'm going to remove my original -1 from this thread and vote +1 for it. My apologies for helping to create this major ruckus. This type of heated discussion does not help build communities and cross community interactions that would benefit a

Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project)

2006-02-04 Thread James Strachan
On 3 Feb 2006, at 23:14, David Jencks wrote: I'm trying to sort out the issues here. As I understand Sybase wants to donate the code and keep working on it in a community larger than the Sybase developers working on it :-) It seems to me that depending where the code comes into Apache dif

Re: License grant

2006-02-04 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I went to legal-discuss with this and received a satisfactory answer. Here's the proposed patch to the IP clearance page. If I don't get any negative feedback I'll apply the patch within 48 hours. Index: C:/Dev/apache.org/rw/incubator-public-trunk/site-author/ip-clearance/index.xml ==

Re: Incubation vs. Donating Code to Existing Project

2006-02-04 Thread Jeremias Maerki
IMO, going through the Incubator is not mandatory. The Xerces PMC could decide to integrate CyberNeko (right?) into Xerces-J as an additional component/feature. If it depends on Xerces-J and is a useful addition to Xerces but has too little mass to lead a life on its own, I'd say it could make a fi