[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Jukka Zitting (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12610910#action_12610910 ] Jukka Zitting commented on INCUBATOR-78: +1 to Marvin. AFAIK it's in

Empire-db release 2.0.2 ready for incubation

2008-07-07 Thread Rainer Döbele
Before we (hopefully) enter the Apache Incubator we have completed pending development tasks on Empire-db and Empire-Struts2-Extentsions which are now available on SourceForge.net with release 2.0.2 (Empire-db) respectively release 1.0.2 (Empire-Struts2-Extentsions). The most significant

legal questsion

2008-07-07 Thread Werner Punz
Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has pointed me towards here a legal question. I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource software a significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license. It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk

Re: legal questsion

2008-07-07 Thread Craig L Russell
I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the other question is whether the myfaces PMC wants to accept the contribution. The process at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html seems to fit the need here. There is a minimum of e-paperwork to do: just requires the

Re: legal questsion

2008-07-07 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the other question is whether the myfaces PMC wants to accept the contribution. yes, they will. Already kind of an agreement about that on [EMAIL PROTECTED] -M The

Re: legal questsion

2008-07-07 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the other question is whether the myfaces PMC wants to accept the contribution. yes, they will. Already kind

[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Craig Russell (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12611251#action_12611251 ] Craig Russell commented on INCUBATOR-78: If we all agree that

Re: legal questsion

2008-07-07 Thread Werner Punz
Ok thanks for the clarification, btw. sorry for the typo in the topic. Werner Craig L Russell schrieb: On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the

[DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Sorry...Need to take this off my chest before the official VOTE. Looking at the maven repo thread, begs the question. Do we really need an incubator? Isn't it just a IP Clearance SVN now once people have their way with no distinction at all between incubator and non-incubator code? What

[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12611349#action_12611349 ] Robert Burrell Donkin commented on INCUBATOR-78: Posting a reminder to

Re: [docs] Sitemap...?

2008-07-07 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:53 AM, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps on the site map itself, as in to modify the template for this page, please see http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/stylesheets/sitemap/index.vsl. sounds like a good idea. committed.

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Sorry...Need to take this off my chest before the official VOTE. Looking at the maven repo thread, begs the question. Do we really need an incubator? Isn't it just a IP Clearance SVN now once people have their way with no distinction at all

[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12611369#action_12611369 ] Henning Schmiedehausen commented on INCUBATOR-78: - I thought every

Re: [VOTE] Accept Empire-db for Incubation

2008-07-07 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
And the results: +1: Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (*) Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] (*) Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] (*) Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] (*) 0: none -1: none (*) = Incubator PMC member. Congratulations to the

[RESULT] Re: [VOTE] Accept Empire-db for Incubation

2008-07-07 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
[ Whoops, once again with the right subject line to wake up people with mail filters. :-) ] And the results: +1: Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (*) Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] (*) Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] (*) Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL

[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Craig Russell (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12611373#action_12611373 ] Craig Russell commented on INCUBATOR-78: Robert Burrell Donkin opined: I think

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry...Need to take this off my chest before the official VOTE. Good, thanks! It's best to have all relevant points discussed before voting. I'll wait at least a week after the last message on a related thread

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Dan, Seriously, Can you please give me one concrete instance where a user gave up because it was too hard? Again, Are u stating that removing this restriction would have reduced the time taken to graduate from 2 years to 1 year? We are *NOT* here to rubber stamp external code. Which is what we

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Jukka, Yes, this is related. But i think folks have made up their mind about the repo. this is about the role of the incubator itself which is becoming over cumbersome and meaningless to many folks... thanks, dims On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Jukka Zitting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What incentives are there left to graduate? I don't think we have a problem with projects not graduating once they're ready. Yes, we've had to prod some projects to take that step, but generally that hasn't been an

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, my question is, if Apache is about Community over code, why are we putting up barriers to getting the code if that is also creating barriers to building the community? Apache isn't about 'community over code'. The code

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
Dims, I have to disagree. The releases that we allow incubating projects to make, with three +1s and a majority approval, are full Apache releases. They have been officially approved by the foundation and we are 100% responsible for their content. That's okay, because they also tend to

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Apache isn't about 'community over code'. The code is just as important - if not more so. For Incubator releases, the releases aren't held to the same legal standard as releases from other PMCs. Huh? The only difference I know of is the

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Roy, I see what you are saying... Do you agree that the intention is for the end user to pause for a second to understand what he/she is using and understand that there are some disclaimers etc that go along with a set of artifacts? Yes. may be this is the wrong way to enforce that intention.

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Carl Trieloff
From what I have seen many of the incubator releases have been better vetted than those from graduated projects. So I don't buy the argument. I also had to bite my tough on the maven thread.. I think it is mostly BS to give Java an easy route to publicity from inside incubator if no other

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Roy, I've created a JIRA here on the securing the artifacts request : http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-3659 Thanks, dims PS: Seriously why can't the mvn issue tracker be inhouse and not at codehaus? :( On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dims, I have to

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? The only difference I know of is the possible presence of external dependencies on LGPL code, which is not a legal question at all. All legal issues are satisfied before we even let the code be imported, let alone

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Jul 7, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Dan, Seriously, Can you please give me one concrete instance where a user gave up because it was too hard? It falls into a few situations: 1) Without stuff in the main repo, you cannot do plugins that do things similar to the mvn

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Please see below: On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 7, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Dan, Seriously, Can you please give me one concrete instance where a user gave up because it was too hard? It falls into a few situations: 1)

[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-07-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12611454#action_12611454 ] Bertrand Delacretaz commented on INCUBATOR-78: -- If we all agree that

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Dims, On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry...Need to take this off my chest before the official VOTE. Thanks for this. ...Looking at the maven repo thread, begs the question. Do we really need an incubator? Isn't it just a IP Clearance SVN now